Restored Church of God

"Out of their own mouths…" – The Restored Church of God

NOTE: This is NOT From the Restored Church of God. This is an Exposé showing what David C. Pack is teaching in CONTRAST with what Mr. Herbert W Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God taught! By Archives Staff In David C Pack’s sermon titled “Watchman to Israel – Messenger to Laodicea – Part 01 & Part 02” David C. Pack uses one scripture to “prove”, there are TWO Watchman in the end-time. One Mr. Armstrong, and the other himself. Here’s the scripture,

“Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that WATCHERS come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.” Jeremiah 4:16.
This, he claims, that this proves that there has to be ANOTHER watchman. NOW, let’s look at the context of this scripture. Starting with verse 14:
“Jer 4:14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee? Jer 4:15 For a voice declareth from Dan, and publisheth affliction from mount Ephraim. Jer 4:16 Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.”
NOW, let’s look at the Bibles interpretation of the “watchers”.
Verse 17 “As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD.”
  Now put them together…
” Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah. As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD.” Zechariah 4:16-17
  This plainly refers to the nations surrounding Jerusalem. Notice even the secular Commentaries agree with what the Bible teaches on this. James Fausset and Brown says
” The neighboring foreign “nations” are summoned to witness Jehovah’s judgments on His rebel people (Jer_6:18, Jer_6:19). watchers — that is, besiegers (compare 2Sa_11:16); observed or watched, that is, besieged. their voice — the war shout. keepers of a field — metaphor from those who watch a field, to frighten away the wild beasts.”
  Clark’s Commentary says
“Watchers come from a far country – Persons to besiege fortified places.”
  David C. Pack claims he is ONE of those watchers!   Also, during this sermon he deals with some letters “attacking” him, some people calling him demon possessed. He just brushes them off as “attacks toward God’s man”. But during this sermon he goes and explains something that is VERY revealing! He was talking about the time when he was writing “Annoint your eyes”. Apparently he didn’t write it out, he dictated it to his wife, which typed it up for him. He said that “he doesn’t know what he, himself, says”, nor does he “understand it, until after he says it”. Paraphrasing of course. He doesn’t know what he was saying, nor does he understand what he was saying until he already spoke it. This is CLEAR evidence of a demon.   He then claims that he was NEVER part of Global. “He worked with them, but was never a member.” That is clearly a straight out lie. He was on the Board which fired Roderick Meredith from Global. He then compares it with Mr. Armstrong’s example of being associated with Sardis, but not being one of their members. Saying it was the same with him and Global. NOW, if that was the case, he’s saying that global was the previous era, and he was the leader of the next. That is saying he’s not a Philadelphian, but a Laodicean. Now I’m not saying global was philadelphia, far from it, but you get the point. BUT, he then contradicts himself by saying shortly after that he is the “messenger/angel of laodicea” but he’s not what Christ says of him in the Book of Revelation. He’s NOT LAODICEAN. And he’s saying HE’S NOT PHILADELPHIAN. He admits in his satanic way, that HE’S NOT A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH! Yet in the same breath saying he is.Confusing right? Who is the Author of this confusion? 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace…” He then explains what a messenger is. He says a messenger brings good news OR bad news, or BOTH. He then explains that there was ONLY TWO Church era’s who’s message was ONLY GOOD NEWS. Smyrna, and Philadelphia.(because they weren’t told anything bad about them, no bad news) The ONLY one that had ONLY BAD NEWS is Laodicea. Nothing good said about them. He then precedes to say that you don’t NEED to heed the Good News! You can heed the Bad news and still make it, he claims. WHAT does GOSPEL mean? Everyone knows it means GOOD NEWS. What is a requirement to be part of the Church? “Repent, and BELIEVE the GOSPEL” the Good News of the Kingdom of God. He is saying “repent and Believe the ‘aschima NEA’ or ‘bad news'”. The exact OPPOSITE of God’s Word! Now, He then calls himself the messenger of Laodicea. The Messenger who only brings BAD NEWS, not Good News, he claims. Isn’t this his admission that he doesn’t preach the GOSPEL? The Good NEWS? Let’s look at the scripture
“Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. “
  Notice Christ is speaking to the ANGEL or MESSENGER of the Laodiceans. Everything said here is directed to that leader of that era. Of course, David C. Pack says he’s this messenger, but he says these scriptures are not talking about him, it’s talking about the message he speaks. LOL. He then continues to say that these messages are NOT to the Church era’s! THAT REJECTS THE RESTORED TRUTH ABOUT THE 7 CHURCH ERA’S!   Now I’m NOT saying he’s the Laodicean Church’s leader. He’s Far From it. That Church and era is not here YET. And now, he’s claiming to be the JOSHUA of Zechariah. Mr. David C Pack claims to be an Apostle. An Apostle was taught by Jesus Christ ONLY, only after the man had wiped CLEAN his mind of this world’s ways and teachings.(NOTICE Mr. Armstrong explains this about his experience). Mr. Armstrong had his mind wiped clean of this world’s ways and was taught ONLY what the Bible said(Jesus Christ in Print). Mr. Armstrong was producing fruits and never claimed to be one BEFORE he realized what office Christ gave him. He was evangelizing FIRST. David C. Pack was only pastor rank, before he claimed the office APOSTLE. He passed a few ranks to get where he claims now. Herbert W Armstrong was trained by Jesus Christ personally by the Word of God, not in any seminary/college, taught by men and their doctrines and beliefs. David C. Pack was taught by MEN! He was taught in Ambassador College what he OUGHT to teach, of which has failed to do. David Pack claims He CAN’T CHANGE what Mr. Armstrong taught. His Job is mostly with prophecy, he claims. But he changes what Mr. Armstrong taught over and over again.   So far in summary, David C. Pack
  • claims to be one of the “Watchers” of Jeremiah 4, one of those who are against Jerusalem, enemies to be in fact(Not his words, but the Bible’s).
  • He also is clearly demon possessed. And this is by his own lips that proves it. (saying things without knowing what is said, nor understanding what he has said until after he has said it shows something is in control, not his own mind. Certainly not God.)
  • He claims he NEVER was part of the Global Church of God through the 1990’s. When he was a very big part of it.
  • He, with his analogy, explains that he’s not Philadelphian, nor is he Laodicean. But one outside of the Church.
  • He then explains that he’s not preaching the Good News, the Gospel. But Bad News(ασχημα ΝΕΑ – aschima NEA).
  • He Claims the seven messages to the Churches, are NOT messages to the Church ERA’S! But given to the messengers, individuals, INDEPENDENT of the God’s Church mentioned. This rejects the restored Truth about The Seven Church Era’s, that Christ restored.
  • He claims to be an Apostle, when in fact by his fruits he’s NOT.
  • He Claims to be messenger of Laodicean and what “PROVES” it, is that he wrote a ton of books!
  • He claims to have RE-WRITTEN every single book of Mr. Armstrong, except Mystery of the Ages. He, in this sermon explains that he was a bit confused on the matter about that. He felt “God” told him to leave that book alone, that book was OFF LIMITS. While he was explaining this, you get the impression he was confused about why he couldn’t re-write it. It was like his body was willing, but his “spirit/Demon” was told not to. He didn’t understand why. It was just strange.
  • He also claims that you have to JOIN the RCG. “JOIN THE CHURCH” he claims. Which again is WRONG, because you can’t JOIN God’s Church.
  • He even appeared on the history Channel’s series titled ” The Nostradamus effect: Satan’s Army”.( Supporting Nostradamus.
  • He claimed Mr. Armstrong wasn’t given understanding about the Laodicean Era, and it’s message to that Church. LOL. Anyone who knows what was taught knows he taught it.
Just visit this to find out what Mr. Armstrong taught( After ALL this…   IS THIS FRUITS of a Man of God? Would you see any MAN OF GOD do any of these things?  There is a lot of things I cannot put here for sake of space. But once shown what is wrong, once shown the fruits. Once shown the Truth, What are you going to do?   IS THE RESTORED CHURCH OF GOD THE TRUE CHURCH? Remember… 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.   Let’s HOLD FAST to what Christ Restored to His Church by the HOLY SPIRIT, through His Chosen Apostle, End-Time Elijah, Messenger(Mal 3), John the Baptist, Moses, Noah, Zerubbabel etc,etc, Herbert W. Armstrong. HOLD FAST to the TRUTH! OBEY CHRIST’S COMMAND.   Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.]]>

What About The Restored Church of God? – Do We Join God's Church?

DO WE “JOIN” GOD’S CHURCH? Many teach that FALSE doctrine Today! David C. Pack mentioned something in his Open Letter to all WCG Splinters(dated 2013), that… well I’ll just quote it…

“We pray diligently that more will follow Christ’s command to “anoint their eyes” and join HIS Church.” – David C. Pack Let me call to remembrance what The True Church taught, although the RCG claims

“…we did not break the grand pattern set by Mr. Armstrong—any of it!” – David C. Pack

Take a look at the following.

Herbert W. Armstrong Plain Truth Subscriber Letter March 10,1965 Herbert W. Armstrong

“Nowhere in the New Testament do we find that Jesus, or the Apostles, ever coaxed, urged or cajoled anyone into “joining” the Church. They merely proclaimed the TRUTH — the GOOD NEWS — of the Kingdom of God. No one was urged to “join.” In fact, according to the Bible, one CANNOT join God’s true Church. If we have not received the GIFT of God’s Spirit, “we are none of His” (Rom. 8:9). The proclaiming of the Gospel by Jesus and by His Apostles was merely EDUCATIONAL — proclaiming God’s TRUTH — leaving all hearers free to make their own decision.  

We follow their example. No one is ever asked to join. No one is ever urged or pleaded with to “give their heart to the Lord,” in the way many Churches do. We are not proselyters. We make no effort to take members away from other Churches.”

Armstrong CoWorker letter June 1936 Herbert W. Armstrong

“How, then, does one get INTO the true CHURCH OF GOD, which is THE BODY OF CHRIST? Does he JOIN it, like one joins a lodge or a worldly club or society? Brethren, there is not a single text in the Bible that speaks of JOINING THE CHURCH! Rather, “God adds to the Church SUCH AS MIGHT BE SAVED!” (Acts 2:47). Ministers have no doubt written out membership certificates to many who ARE NOT SAVED! Many have accepted an ARGUMENT — many have accepted so-called “Church of God doctrine,” — many are resting and attending church on the Sabbath — who have never been truly CONVERTED — who have never really DIED and been BORN AGAIN, and who do not have THE HOLY SPIRIT! It is only those being SAVED — who have THE HOLY SPIRIT — whom GOD adds to His true CHURCH. Men may add others to their organizations, but GOD only adds those being SAVED to HIS CHURCH! How does God put us into the true CHURCH OF GOD? “By one SPIRIT are we all baptised (put into) into ONE BODY.” (I Cor. 12:13). Not by joining it. Not by some preacher writing out a membership certificate! Not by “casting your lot,” or “Taking your stand.” And note it! There is but just the ONE BODY!”

All About Water Baptism Booklet By Herbert W. Armstrong

“Note well these facts: One may “join” a lodge, social club, or organized group of MEN (and most churches today have degenerated into social societies). But ONE CANNOT JOIN THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD! You cannot GET in of your own accord! No, GOD MUST PUT YOU IN — no man can do it — you cannot do it yourself!”

Mystery of the Ages By Herbert W. Armstrong

“True Christians: Draftees—Not Volunteers  

It is only through Christ that sinning humanity may be reconciled to God the Father. They must first come to Christ. But no person can come to Christ except God the Father selects and, through his Holy Spirit, draws them.  

That may come as an astonishing new truth, but the more you study the New Testament, and how this truth is constantly borne out throughout the New Testament, the more clear this will become to you.  

No wonder the Church and its purpose has been a mystery. Satan has blinded the minds of a deceived and counterfeit Christianity.  

Anyone who “joins the church of his choice” has not come into God’s true Church. One cannot just “join” the true Church of God. One is first selected and drawn by God the Father through his Spirit, brought to a complete heartrending repentance, and changed in his total life-style, and has also not only believed in and accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior, but also has believed Christ. Remember Christ is the Word of God. Jesus was the Word of God in Person. The Bible is the same Word of God in writing. To believe Christ is to believe what he says—in other words, to believe God’s Word the Holy Bible.”

Where Is the True Church Booklet By Herbert W. Armstrong

“So, when Satan failed to prevent the Church from being founded and getting off to a glorious start, what did he do next? He deceived certain humans into seeking to destroy the Church from within. There’s a saying, “If you can’t defeat them, join them. He caused some within the Church to turn to a false and counterfeit gospel.

In Galatians 1:6-7, we read that the churches in Galatia had turned to “another gospel.” They had believed those who began to proclaim “another Jesus” (II Cor. 11:4). These false ministers professing to be ministers of Christ were in fact ministers of Satan (verses 13-15). Thus, from false brethren within the Church, Satan succeeded finally in deceiving even the vast majority in the Church. He succeeded in turning this majority into a growing false and counterfeit church.”
How To Recognize The True Church Plain Truth April 1968

“Jesus purchased THE TRUE CHURCH by shedding His blood for it (Acts 20:28). The TRUE Church is not some politically organized denomination which one JOINS or becomes a member, of in order to be “saved.” Jesus did not die for some one religious denomination or another — called a church.  

Joining a local church congregation does not put you into God’s true Church! Any church you can “join” is NOT God’s Church!  

You CAN’T JOIN the true Church; only God can PUT YOU INTO IT BY HIS SPIRIT (I Cor. 12:13). God alone can make you a member of His Church — if you surrender your life to Him.  

God will give that Spirit only to those who are willing to “OBEY HIM”! (Acts 5:32.)  

When YOU receive God’s Spirit — which is the spirit of a sound, sane mind (II Tim. 1:6-7), you become at that moment a newly begotten member of the body of Christ — which is the true Church of God!  

The receiving of God’s Spirit and the MIND OF CHRIST (Phil. 2:5) upon REPENTANCE and BAPTISM PUTS YOU INTO, baptizes you into God’s TRUE Church!  

“For by ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into ONE BODY to (I Cor. 12:13).  

YOU can be part of God’s true Church by earnestly repenting of your sins — disobedience to GOD’S LAWS — by asking God to cover your sins through the blood of Jesus Christ, by calling on God’s true servants to baptize you, and by claiming God’s promise of the gift of His Holy Spirit. In that way, and that way ONLY, does anyone enter into the true Church.  

Church attendance is not the most important thing! Church attendance does not, by itself, mean CHURCH MEMBERSHIP in God’s sight! Some people view “church going” as an end in itself. But it most definitely IS NOT.  

God expressly forbids His people ever to join in with the worship of counterfeit church bodies — no matter how “close” to the truth they might seem! Only the genuine worship of God with His TRUE Church is acceptable to Him!  

You need to thoroughly EXAMINE YOURSELF. You NEED TO BE SURE!  

If YOU have TRULY REPENTED of YOUR sins and now realize the VITAL NECESSITY of personal contact with and guidance by JESUS CHRIST and His TRUE SERVANTS, write regarding baptism to Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong.  

Your eternal salvation is at stake! May God help you to heed this warning!”

Just What Is The Church By Herbert W. Armstrong

“So note it well! One cannot enter the true Church by putting himself in-by “joining. One may join a social club, a sports team, or a secular group-but NOT the Church of God. Incidentally, is it not significant that so many of this world’s “churches” have become, virtually, just social clubs?… ” “…And thus it is that the CHURCH is composed of those who are the children of God. That is why the CHURCH is the Church of GOD, even as the Old Testament Church was called “the congregation of Israel”-the human children of Israel.  

That is why, also, one CANNOT PUT HIMSELF into the Church by “deciding to JOIN.” When he becomes a son of GOD, by having and being led by the Spirit of God (Rom. 8:14), then God has PUT HIM INTO the Church by begetting him as a son of God.  

“Joining” a group that calls itself a church-having one’s name on the membership roll of some group calling itself a church-does not make one in true fact a member of THE Church Jesus founded. Here is positive proof: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Romans 8:9).” “Is it possible that one who has joined a sect, church, or denomination NOT doing God’s Work, might be truly converted, and led by God’s Spirit in him? The answer is YES-I have known of a few. But in every case, either they came INTO the organized spiritual organism Christ is using in the real Work of God-or, when their eyes were opened to further light and truth, they rejected it and LOST the Spirit of God. And this was amply demonstrated by the fruits.”

Just What Is a CO-WORKER? by Herbert W. Armstrong page 1 Good News August 1982

And let me first say that the Worldwide Church of God is nondenominational and nonproselyting. It does not solicit or urge people to become members, or to join.  

In fact, one cannot “join” this Church. One enters only by being baptized by the Holy Spirit into this, God’s Church. Of course we joyfully welcome all whom God through Christ baptizes into His Church.”

Why Churches Are Divided Plain Truth March 1982 Herbert W. Armstrong

“Some, not realizing one of God’s own called and consecrated ministers could call and explain and answer questions, have JOINED one of the churches of this world. You cannot JOIN the true Church of God-the Almighty GOD puts you in.”

The Ambassador College Bible Correspondence Course Lesson 19, 1983 WHAT and WHY the CHURCH?

“The members of God’s Church do not merely decide that they would like to “join” His Church, decide what they would like to believe, and begin attending services. It is God who calls an individual and grants repentance (John 6:44; Rom. 2:4), and new members are added to the Church of God only upon repentance, baptism and receipt of God’s Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38, 47; I Cor. 12:13). The repentant believer becomes a begotten child of God when he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. And he believes the doctrines Jesus has put into His Church.”

Meaning of Days of Unleavened bread April 6, 1985 Herbert W. Armstrong

“Brethren, I won’t compromise. If you want to compromise, go join one of these factions that have turned off from us that are LIBERAL. They’ll be real liberal. They let you go if you want to go Satan’s way instead of God’s way, and PRETEND that you’re in the Kingdom of God, PRETEND YOU’RE IN GOD’S CHURCH. If you want to KID YOURSELF, go do it until you die. But you’re being JUDGED NOW. JUDGMENT IS ON THE HOUSE OF GOD. JUDGMENT IS ON US. JUDGMENT IS NOT ON THE PEOPLE IN CHINA AND THE PEOPLE IN INDIA AND THE PEOPLE IN RUSSIA. JUDGMENT IS NOT ON EVEN THE PROTESTANTS AND THE CATHOLICS YET. BUT JUDGMENT IS ON US; AND WE’RE BEING JUDGED, BRETHREN.”

How Good and Pleasant Sept 29, 1985 Herbert W. Armstrong

“In fact, you can’t join God’s Church. You never were joined. You were put in by the Spirit of God. You were baptized into the Church by the Spirit of God. That’s the way we come into God’s true Church.”

Prove All Things: What and Why the Church? By Bernard W. Schnippert Good News May 1985

“Most people, for example, consider a church to be a building, or at least those persons who have “joined” a certain organization by registering on its official rolls. Some think the purpose of a church is merely to perpetuate itself and do little more than provide social events for its members. Others take an almost opposite approach and become virtually obnoxious by trying to proselytize and force people to believe as they do and join with them.”

Why Some Fall Away By Leroy Neff Good news Jan 1961

“You Can’t “Join” God’s Church  

We do not “join” the body of Christ. God makes us a part of it through His Holy Spirit after COMPLETE REPENTANCE, BAPTISM, and a total change of attitude. We remain in the church ONLY by CONTINUING in this right attitude and by OVERCOMING through prayer and faith and obedience.  

We do not become a part of the body of Christ by telling our friends or neighbors that I “belong to the Radio Church of God.” Nor do we become a part of that true body of believers by just signing a statement. We do not become a part of that TRUE BODY BY BAPTISM ALONE. It requires complete repentance and submission to God — and faith toward Jesus Christ — before we are put into the true Church of God. Let us not deceive ourselves. We may fool some people, but we cannot fool God. HE IS OUR JUDGE.  

Don’t deceive yourself. It is time to examine yourself to determine whether or not you are in the faith. Whether or not you are truly a part of God’s Church in this climactic end-time.  

The time is fast approaching when it will be too late for change and correction, too late to go to the place of safety that God is preparing for His people.  

Some of you are sinning and know it. You have procrastinated and delayed obeying God. God is merciful, kind, loving, patient. But there always comes a time when God’s patience ends. Then will be the time of action. He may permit you to continue in sin for a season, but if you do not repent and change, He will soon cut you off IN YOUR SINS.  

Others of you are sinning and cannot see your sin.  

Why? Because you are not continually looking into God’s Word for correction. Sin is the transgression of the law. It defines what sin is. The Word of God is a spiritual mirror. Look into that spiritual mirror to see your sin.”

Where Is God’s TRUE CHURCH Today? booklet By Brian Knowles

“How Made a Member  

But how may one become a member of the body of Christ? Is it merely a matter of joining the “church of your choice”?  

Jesus said: “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44, 65).  

One cannot decide to join the body of Christ. It is something God must put you into. We are instructed by the Apostle Paul that “…now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him” (I Cor. 12:18).  

It is God alone who decides who will compose the body of Christ. It is God who adds to the Church those whom He chooses to be saved. “…And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” (Acts 2:47).  

How, then, does God add a member to the Church? Is it a matter of signing on some dotted line? What is it that signifies membership in the Church of God?  

Paul informs us: “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit” (I Cor. 12:13).  

It is the Holy Spirit — which is the power of God (Acts 1:8) — which puts us into the body of Christ. We are immersed or plunged into the Church by the receipt of God’s Spirit. (Write for our free article titled “How You Can Be Imbued with the Power of God.”)  

One cannot put himself into the Church by “deciding to join.” When he becomes a son of God, by having and being led by the Holy Spirit of God (Rom. 8:14), then God has put him into the Church.  

“Joining” a group that calls itself a church — having one’s name on the membership roll of some group calling itself a church — does not make one in true fact a member of the Church Jesus founded. Here is positive proof: “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Rom. 8:9).  

It is the living Christ who puts members into His Church — and it is done by the Holy Spirit. Notice, now, the conditions for receiving God’s Spirit — Acts 2:38: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” This is speaking of being baptized in water. (Write for our free booklet titled All About Water Baptism.)  

The Holy Spirit is given by the laying on of hands following baptism (Acts 19:5, 6). A person who receives the Holy Spirit is “begotten” or conceived of God. Following a life of developing and overcoming, the Christian is “born” into the Family of God at the resurrection and return of Christ (I Cor. 15:50-54; I Thess. 4:13-17; Rev. 20:4-6; Phil. 3:20-21; I John 3:1-2; II Tim. 4:8).  

That body of believers, having the Holy Spirit of God, constitutes the Church of God. But does this mean that the Church has no organization?”

“…Only God can place one into the body of Christ. The true Church is not something you may “join” — it is something you are immersed into by the Spirit of the living God. But, if God is leading you by His Spirit to His truth, it is up to you as an individual to seek Him.”
What Is A Church? By R. A. Wiedenheft Tomorrow’s World, May 1971

“CHURCH business today is big business! Millions of dollars are spent on “churches” and millions of people go “to church” every week.  

But few realize that by Biblical definition, one cannot go to or construct a church.  

In every case in the New Testament, the word “church” is translated from the Greek word ekklesia, which Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance defines as “a calling out, i.e., a popular meeting, a religious congregation.” It is also translated “assembly” a few times.  

Notice some examples of how ekklesia is used in the New Testament.  

Paul instructed the Roman Christians to “Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my helpers in Christ Jesus…. Likewise greet the church that is in their house” (Rom. 16:3, 5). Obviously there was no separate physical edifice in the house of Priscilla and Aquila, but the assembly of called-out ones — the Church — met there.  

Paul referred to the same congregation (hosted by Priscilla and Aquila) in I Cor. 16:19. “The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.” Colossians 4:15 refers to a congregation that met in the home of Nymphas in or near Laodicea. Philemon also had a church meeting in his home (Philemon 2).  

In the book of Acts, Luke referred to the Church in the days following Pentecost, 31 A.D. “And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple…. Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” (Acts 2:46-47).  

The Church grows as Christ adds individuals to it; and it is wholly composed of those whom He has called out of the world — those who are set apart by Him to be a part of His body.  

Paul wrote of Christ, “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, and the firstborn from the dead …” (Col. 1:18). In verse 24 Paul referred to himself, “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church.”  

Paul was willing to suffer for the Church — the body of Christ — those who had repented and had been converted by God.  

How plain! The Church is not the building. It’s not something one can go to or join!  

It is the sum total of all true Christians who have been begotten by the Holy Spirit, who have been called out by God, and have thus become part of the body of Christ — the true Church of God!”

Do You Compromise with Truth? By Roderick Meredith Plain Truth Dec 1964

So it is with many readers of The PLAIN TRUTH. They see God teaches a message of literal obedience. They see that it involves unspectacular and unpopular activities — like telling the TRUTH in all business and personal dealings, actually coming OUT of this vain, confused world and its mixed-up society, ceasing to live in adultery, keeping holy the days God made holy.  

Their human nature REBELS! They don’t want to REPENT of their REAL SINS! How much easier it would be to shake the preacher’s hand and “give their heart to the Lord.” How much easier to join a worldly “social club” that masquerades under the name of a “church.””

Should You ASSEMBLE Without a Minister? By Herman Hoeh Good News Oct 1957

“To many people, a local congregation becomes a place of SOCIAL rather than SPIRITUAL fellowship. People join themselves together, instead of BEING JOINED TO CHRIST. In John 15:5, Jesus said: “I am the vine, ye are the branches.” What would you think if the branches would say to themselves, let us bundle ourselves together?”

Amazing 2000 Year history of the Church Of God By Herman Hoeh Good News Jun 1958

“The true Church is the collective body of individuals, called out from the ways of this present world, who have TOTALLY surrendered themselves to the rule of God, and who, through the Holy Spirit, become the begotten sons of God (Rom. 8:9).  

The true Church is not some POLITICALLY ORGANIZED DENOMINATION which one joins or becomes a member of in order to be “saved.” Jesus did not die for some one ORGANIZATION called a Church (Acts 20:28).  

You can’t join the true Church; ONLY GOD CAN PUT YOU INTO IT!  

The Church is called the body of Christ because it is a SPIRITUAL ORGANISM whose LIVING, ACTIVE HEAD is Jesus Christ, in the same sense that the husband is HEAD of the wife (Eph. 5:23, 31).  

Notice that from the very beginning the Church was subject to the rule of God. It was not a government by the will of man or boards of men. Jesus is the Head of the Church. He rules the Church. Read the accompanying article in this issue.”

ACBC Lesson 52 – The Book and the church they couldn’t destroy

“In the history of God’s Church it has been repeatedly true that “many shall cleave to them with flatteries” (Dan. 11:34). The Thyatira Era was no exception. Partly because MANY were dissatisfied with the degradation and oppression of the established church, a large number of friends and others who sympathized with God’s true people were found in every country where God’s people went. But THEY were not the Church, even though the world regarded them all as Waldenses!  

Most of them were, at best, only co-workers — perhaps sincere, but unconverted — who had never given themselves completely and unreservedly to God.  

Now notice what this situation led to. It “prepared the way for the transformation of his (Waldo’s) following (those who cleaved with fatteries) into a sect or antichurch, a tendency already present in 1184. Under the pressure of persecution even the ‘friends’ felt themselves sectaries, and became increasingly merged with the main body (or better said, the small flock) of Waldenses” (from the Schaff-Herzog RELIGIOUS ENCYCLOPEDIA, article “Waldenses”). They then began to join THEMSELVES together, rather than being all united through the Holy Spirit.  

These people were not themselves the True Church, though the True Church was AMONG them.  

That is why they began so soon to compromise with error, and to commit “spiritual fornication.””

Which Day Is The Christian Sabbath? By Herbert W. Armstrong

“We can have true Christian fellowship only when each individual Christian is joined to Christ, and to the Father—as a branch of a grapevine joined to the vine.  

Now what joins the many branches of that vine to one another? When people meet on their own human-appointed day, trying to join themselves together in a church group, Christ is not present with them in that fellowship. He never put His presence in that day! They are like a lot of grape branches, cut off from the vine, trying to join themselves together!”

Armstrong Plain Truth Subscriber Letter May 27, 1969 Herbert W. Armstrong

“There are so many of these “come-on” schemes to get your money that I know it seems hard to realize that when we offer you something of real value WITHOUT ANY CHARGE — and tell you we have nothing to sell — you are not going to be asked to buy anything, or join anything — it is THE TRUTH, and there are no tricks or deceptions or gimmicks!  

YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY OPERATION LIKE OURS! It is utterly unique. And isn’t it, after all, a refreshing experience to find something of vital value, with no such come-ons — something 100% aboveboard, honest and sincere?”

WHY YOU NEED TO CHANGE By Roderick Meredith Tomorrow’s World Feb 1971

“For God’s true Church cannot be “joined.” It is composed of those who have been called OUT of this “untoward generation” by God Himself to receive His Spirit, to understand His prophecies now rapidly being fulfilled, and to qualify for a position in His divine Government soon to be set up on this war-torn, sin-sick earth — the glorious Kingdom of God!”

What is Real Christianity? By Neil Earle Good News Oct/Nov 1982

Obey Christ, and you’ll encounter persecution (II Tim. 3:12). Jesus Christ’s simplest teachings are spiritual blockbusters far too revolutionary for those who join denominations like social clubs to improve their civic status.”

Seven Proofs of God’s TRUE CHURCH Booklet

“It is only those who have really been conquered of God, who have unconditionally repented, been baptized, and have really received of His Spirit who are members of His Church.  

They are then joined to Him. They do not join themselves together, becoming a “group” of human beings known by a certain name. Rather, they become directly joined to Christ!  

Notice it: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman,” said Jesus. “Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away…. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:1-5).  

The newly begotten child of God becomes directly joined to Christ. He is the Vine supplying the life-giving sap from the roots which produces the fruit on the branches. The branches, or the individual members of the Church, are joined only through the vine. If any member is not truly in Christ, and Christ living in Him, then he is not a member of the true Church.  

“That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you” wrote John, “that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ” (I John 1:3).  

The true fellowship of one member of the Church to another is in and through the Father and the Son. Any worldly organization of men, banding themselves together in their own fellowship, is just like a group of branches lying in a pile. Not joined to a productive, life-giving vine, they are unproductive; they are lifeless.  

Do you see? The name of the true Church of God is a vitally important proof of the Church. It is not to be taken lightly; it has real meaning.  

God names things for what they are.”[Last of articles]


Getting back to what David C. Pack teaches… Yet David C. Pack continues to Preach This!

“It is absolutely critical to see that, in time, all those who love the full truth—those who are willing to “anoint their eyes”—must join one organization—The Restored Church of God!”


“In God’s Church, we do not have as a goal to “get big!” This is no longer Philadelphia’s time! Those of Philadelphian attitude must expect to be outnumbered. However, when all those with God’s Spirit have been joined to us, we will likely become the largest group—and maybe by far.”


“Many waited to see our “fruit” before joining us. Be certain your definition of “fruit” does not include size. While numbers are irrelevant to your decision, one look at just our websites reveals an explosion of fruit—that we are already doing an immense work that towers over organizations much larger, older and wealthier than we. Our websites describe the who, what, where, when, why and how of God’s Church. Also, consider that if everyone waited to see appear whatever is their definition of “fruits,” for months or even years, no one would have come to help produce the “fruit” others—and possibly you—want to evaluate today. So, there are two types of people who will join us. In the end, both belong.

First: Those who will come through fire, hail, wind and storm to be at the right place—as long as they know it is right. Size means nothing to them! Second: The many additional people who must see many others do this before they will. They will want to see a certain amount of size before coming. Right or wrong, this is historically the way of human nature. Of course, we are well into this second phase, with most still recognizing and accepting they are joining a group still for a while smaller than the biggest splinters.”

again further down,

“A word to all the “unaffiliated”—those who chose to “stay home”: Many of you may have recognized very early that heresies or improper conduct were condoned by every “corporate” organization that left the WCG. You chose not to join any of them (or did and then felt compelled to leave), but perhaps tried to hold firm, either on your own or in small, loose groups. Many of you have been abused, as a direct result of the politics in the WCG, but also later in other groups. You are urged to carefully consider what God is doing in His Church—The Restored Church of God! Do not forget this vital passage: “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching” (Heb. 10:24-25).”

In Section 2 it states

“By now, you know we are not just another “splinter.” These questions arise: Who should join The Restored Church of God? What does membership in Restored mean? What should you expect if you come with us?”

It seems this is a social club, something to “JOIN”. POINT after POINT, David C. Pack says “JOIN God’s Church”, “Join the RCG”! That is NOT God’s Church! As you can see it is CONTRARY to what the Church taught, AND what the BIBLE teaches! I also noticed this attitude throughout his writings, the “GET” attitude, in CONTRAST with God’s Holy Spirit of “GIVE”. David C. Pack states,

“Though we do not require you to run a gauntlet of extensive counseling to join us, we do want you sure of your decision—so that we both “know what we are getting.””(same page as above)

“I must be blunt. If you are joining Restored, it must be because you believe this is God’s Church—where His government, truth and Work reside.”

AGAIN you cannot JOIN GOD’S CHURCH!!! It is not an organization of MEN! THIS REMINDS ME of 2 Timothy 3. This attitude/spirit is prevalent with David C. Pack, and HIS Church. BEWARE unless we fall into such traps, and/or become such a person. Read: 2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.   2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,   2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,   2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;   2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness(THE FORM OF GOD’S GOVERNMENT?), but denying the power thereof: from such turn away(HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM).   2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,   2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.(INTELLECTUALS, Talk a big talk, write MANY books)   2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.   2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.  ]]>

Is the Church named AFTER "Doctrines"?

“We have just covered the truth that God set officials to serve on the human level under Christ, in the Church. Members do not elect them. Yet in the churches of this world some believe in government by the entire congregation—“democracy”—and call themselves “Congregational.” Others have organized themselves into government by ministers or presbytery and call themselves “Presbyterian.” Some follow Luther and call themselves “Lutheran.” Some follow Wesley, who was strong on “method,” and call themselves “Methodist.” Some learned God’s truth about baptizing and call their church after the name of that one doctrine, “Baptist.” One wanted complete universal world dominion, and called itself “Catholic,” which means “universal.” What is the name of the Church Jesus founded? “
“Notice that Paul did not call the true Church “Catholic” or “Protestant.” Nowhere is the true Church called after the name of a MAN or after the name of a doctrine.”

Michael Venish of the “Vigilant Church of God”, in his video “Our Commission” explaining the name of his church group “The Vigilant Church of God”.
“Oh by the way, “The Vigilant…” , the word “vigilant” means “keeping careful watch”. And that is EXACTLY what Jesus Christ and Herbert Armstrong said we should do!”
Nowhere in God’s Word is the Church named AFTER a doctrine! Yet men name their churches after doctrines. “Vigilant”, “continuing”, “United”, “Philadelphia”, “Restored”, “Living”, etc,etc.
Let’s not be deceived!

Proving All Things – Being Mindful of what the Apostle taught us

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Another COMMAND from Jesus Christ. What did Mr. Armstrong teach on the Great Commission? Who was given the Great Commission? Who Was Jesus Christ talking to? As you can read, the Apostles were the one’s being addressed. The Apostle Peter repeated it toward those called through his preaching, to be MINDFUL of what the Apostles taught! Now what about today? Are we to be mindful of Christ’s Apostle Mr. Herbert W Armstrong. But, that brings up the question, WHAT if they don’t BELIEVE he was an Apostle? What if YOU do not believe that Mr. Armstrong was called to be an Apostle and fulfilled his commission? Does Mr. Webber BELIEVE, UNDERSTAND or AGREE that Mr. Armstrong was called and placed in the Church as an APOSTLE? Does the United Church of God? Does any of the Cog groups today? I mean REALLY Believe it, not just say it and then go about and CHANGE what Herbert W Armstrong meant or Believed or wrote, saying he misunderstood(meaning did not believe God) on this or this topic or doctrine found in God’s Word. You might find they say it at one time or another, but do they REALLY believe it? Are we MIDNFUL of what we were commanded and taught through the Apostle? What does “mindful” mean? It means “conscious or aware of something”. Strong’s Concordance states – (through the idea of fixture in the mind or of mental grasp); to bear in mind, that is, recollect; by implication to reward or punish: – be mindful, remember, come (have) in remembrance. If we are mindful of what the Apostle taught, we wouldn’t believe something contrary to it. Once faced with another doctrine, another gospel, you must have the teachings and doctrines through the Apostle in our minds, making SURE that what we read is the same as what we were taught! And if they are not, HOLD FAST to what we have been taught! (Revelation 3:11) What did the Apostle Paul say? Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. (Having the same MIND, BELIEFS, UNDERSTANDING) Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Too many spend their time tearing down the ROLE and OFFICE of the Apostle, teaching others to put low those whom they should and are commanded to ESTEEM BETTER than themselves! Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. (like the doctrines that came through the Apostle. As Jesus Christ said through him He restored ALL THINGS through) Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. So Jesus Christ gave the Apostle Paul his mind on things, on doctrine, on teaching, on God’s Law(LOVE), on unity. He in turn commanded us to be of that same MIND, the SAME UNDERSTANDING, the SAME BELIEF that the Apostle had! So are we with the Apostle, Mr. Herbert W Armstrong! He had the mind of Christ! If we remember Matt 28:20, Jesus Christ gave commandment(teachings, doctrines) to the Apostles, who in turn were to TEACH OTHERS what they were given. Some today, believe Mr. Herbert W Armstrong did not such thing, but have inserted his own ideas and taught the Church his ideas. But do we BELIEVE GOD? Or people? 1Co 9:2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord. I ave no DOUBT that Herbert W Armstrong was an Apostle of Jesus Christ! Now what happens when the foot says I have no need of the hand? 1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 1Co 12:22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 1Co 12:23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. Notice what the Apostle Paul said! “ And those members of the body, which we think…”. If we rely on ourselves, believing that the Apostle is not needed today, we are commanded to REPENT and bestow MORE ABUNDANT HONOR. You have to say it MORE. You have to MAGNIFY THE OFFICE OF APOSTLE! You have to keep the Apostle and what he taught us in your MIND! That you are MINDFUL of what was taught! I ask the same question to Robbin Webber. Are you? Is Any other minister today? Is the United Church of God? Are any other group doing so? Are we ourselves? Why must we bestow more ABUNDANT Honor to the Apostle? 1Co 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 1Co 12:26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. If we do not care for(LOVE) the Apostle, giving honor to him when we think he’s less honorable or small comparative to others, then are we REALLY Jesus Christ’s disciples? Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you(The Apostles), nor hear your words(What the Apostle Taught), when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (Have nothing to do with those who won’t receive the Apostles and their teachings) Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Why do they reject what the Apostles received from Jesus Christ? Mar_7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus Christ says their WORSHIP, their fellowship is IN VAIN if they reject what Jesus Christ gave through the Apostle! Are we heeding God’s Word here? Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou(ministers) hast rejected knowledge(rejected REVEALED knowledge from Jesus Christ through the Apostle), I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Again God says that their worship is in VAIN, Because of their traditions and rejection of the Apostle and the Apostles teachings, their Churches would become churches of this world. No longer CHILDREN OF GOD. Because they are deceived into what the Minister is teaching BECAUSE he has rejected the Apostle and what he taught! Luk_10:16 He that heareth you(the Apostles) heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. What happens if we reject(cut off – saying “I have no need of you”) the Apostle(Mr. Herbert W Armstrong) Mr. Armstrong addresses this from a personal experience with his son. [Quote] “Read carefully now. As the Work grew, so did the human organization to work UNDER me in getting God’s Work done. Then, after this 35-year unmatched GROWTH with God’s blessing, I made a basic mistake, which I did not then realize was contrary to GOD’S form of organization. It was a detail that NONE in the Church realized was unscriptural. It happened this way: As the work continued growing and growing, especially after the foundation of Ambassador College, my younger son, Garner Ted, had become converted. Mr. Roderick C. Meredith had entered Ambassador College as a student beginning its third year, fall of 1949. He was developing as a leader under me. He saw the rapid strides my son Garner Ted was making at the time, spiritually. My elder son, Richard D. (Dick), was growing spiritually too, but at a slower more steady rate. Mr. Meredith began to urge me to make Garner Ted vice president under me, in the Work. I thought it a good suggestion. Along about 1956 and thereafter, Garner Ted showed aptitude for broadcasting and began occasional broadcasting……But I made the mistake, unrealizing that mistake, of allowing an office of authority to be injected BETWEEN ME AND THE MINISTRY AND CHURCH! For the first 35 years of this Work, I was the sole human in supreme command, UNDER CHRIST. There was opposition and persecution – from without – but THERE WAS NO QUESTION OF WHO WAS IN CHARGE! During those 35 years the Church and the Work GREW AND GREW AND GREW! It had Christ’s BLESSING! I knew that GOD’S FORM OF ORGANIZATION IS FROM THE TOP DOWN. I DID NOT REALIZE that allowing an office of authority to be interjected BETWEEN me and the Church was contrary to God’s form of human organization. WHAT RESULTED? Great confusion grew in the Church – especially in and around headquarters. “WHO IS REALLY IN AUTHORITY?” many wondered, perplexed. The Work STOPPED GROWING. More knowledge But at last God has opened my eyes to a more detailed knowledge of HIS FORM OF HUMAN ORGANIZATION. Now I want to take you direct to GOD’S WORD! The first human organizational procedure there recorded is that of Moses. The PEOPLE did not elect Moses – GOD CHOSE HIM! Under Moses were captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, over fifties and over tens. BUT NO ONE was interjected in authority BETWEEN Moses and the captains of thousands! There were 600,000 men. Men and women approximately 1,200,000. Adding children, there were at least THREE MILLION Israelites. That means a minimum of three to four thousand captains under Moses, and NO MAN BETWEEN THEM AND MOSES! Once Moses’ brother Aaron and sister Miriam challenged Moses’ authority and attempted to interject themselves between Moses and the people. Got STERNLY REBUKED THEM and punished Miriam! Korah’s rebellion Another time Korah attempted to challenge Moses’ authority and step in between him and the People. GOD PUNISHED HIM by causing him and his family to he swallowed up by the earth! ” June 5 1978 Good News “CHRIST PUTS CHURCH ON BIBLE FORM OF ORGANIZATION” By Herbert W Armstrong[End Quote] What was it that Mr. Armstrong taught concerning Matt 24:14? About the Great Commission? Through WHOM was it given, and who did he give it to from that point on? The Church certainly has to fulfill the Great Commission, but is everyone APOSTLES? 1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? Many are not fulfilling THEIR PART in the Great Commission! They are trying to exalt themselves to positions NOT GIVEN! They believe they can go out as a witness and teach all nations, as the Apostles were to do. That was already fulfilled. Those taught and trained and placed by the Apostle are to continue to teach nonetheless, but not as an apostle. They cannot instill doctrines. They are to fulfill their role as an evangelist. Fulfill their role as Pastor, which is stationary. Fulfill their role as lay-member. To fulfill our roles in the Family. GROWING in the Grace and Knowledge of Jesus Christ! Teaching what we were taught by the Apostle! Not departing from it. What did the Apostle teach us concerning OUR PART, or ROLE? From “SEVEN PROOFS of THE TRUE CHURCH – Proof no. 6 by Herbert W Armstrong, Good News Magazine December 1978 [Quote]Why members called Now came another example of how the Church stood back of the apostles. Remember, the word apostle means “one sent forth.” Jesus had given the great commission to Peter and the apostles. The other members of the Church were not sent forth with the Gospel. They were called: 1) to support and encourage the apostles in getting out the Gospel message, as GOD’S MEANS of, 2) developing in them God’s holy, righteous CHARACTER, qualifying them for places as kings and priests in the KINGDOM! So here came another incident showing how the Church supported the apostles. Continue, verse 5 of Acts 12, “… but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him” – Peter. The brethren stood loyally 100 percent back of God’s apostles. What happened, when the Church so unceasingly prayed? “… The same night Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains: and the keepers before the door kept the prison. And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands” (verses 6-7), and Peter followed the angel on out of the prison. Peter fled on to Caesarea. The GREAT COMMISSION to apostles Jesus gave His GREAT COMMISSION to the apostles – those sent forth with the message. The lay brethren were added to the Church to support the apostles. Notice the GREAT COMMISSION as recorded by Matthew: “Now the eleven disciples [Judas had left them] went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them… And Jesus came and said to them [not the whole Church], All authority in heaven and on earth is given to me. Go, THEREFORE, and make disciples of all nations…” Notice, make disciples OF, or within all nations. A disciple is a student – one learning, being taught. “… baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” Notice here, this does not and cannot refute Jesus’ own statement that “NO MAN CAN come to me, except the Father which sent me draw him.” The GREAT COMMISSION was not a commission to try to persuade ALL in those nations to come to Christ. Jesus said plainly “make disciples OF [within] all nations.” He referred to those whom God had called – and they were, comparatively, exceeding FEW by proportion to the whole population. Then Jesus continued… teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (Matthew 28:16-20, Revised Standard Version). The apostles were NOT sent forth on a soul-saving crusade, but to TEACH those whom God had called and made willing to listen. That is what God’s apostle does to this day. Today we are able to utilize modern methods of MASS COMMUNICATION – radio, television, the printing press. We TEACH – the good news of the coming KINGDOM – to those whom God calls and makes willing to listen. In this way we TEACH and PROCLAIM the true GOSPEL MESSAGE to many MILLIONS, worldwide. Our magazine, The Plain Truth, has more than THREE MILLION subscribers, and estimates are that each copy is read by at least three people – actually reaching nine or 10 MILLION people! And we teach all who willingly listen to observe all that God commanded His apostles! Now notice Mark’s account of the GREAT COMMISSION: “… Afterward He appeared unto the eleven… and he said unto them, Go YE into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:14, 15). Naturally Jesus did not mean every human being on earth – but all they might reach who would hear. “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…” Yet only those God called would be able to believe – for Jesus meant believe what was SAID – believe the GOOD NEWS! However, this is quoted from the 1611 King James Version, but nearly all other translations omit it, saying Mark did not write these words – beginning verse 9 – but that they were added by some later editor trying to make it harmonize with Matthew 28:18-19. But the great commission was given to the apostles – not the Church as a whole – although as cited above, the Church completely, prayerfully, wholeheartedly backed up and supported the apostles. That was their part in the great commission. [End Quote] Is this being FAITHFULLY TAUGHT today? Within several sermons and articles among the Churches of God, they state Mr. Armstrong DID NOT FULFILL the Elijah Role, even though through MANY sermons he stated the fulfillment of those verses. By His Fruits Jesus Christ through him fulfilled them. [Quote]“In the book of Isaiah is a “now” prophecy: “The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord. . . . lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say. . . Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him” (Isa. 40:3, 9-10). That voice now cries out! The prophet Malachi confirmed this: “Behold, I will send my messenger and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts” (Mal. 3:1). The Elijah to Come Both of these prophecies have a dual application. First, they refer to John the Baptist, who prepared the way before Jesus’ human ministry more than 1,900 years ago. But, as a prototype, or forerunner, these prophecies foretell one to prepare the way before Christ’s Second Coming as the King of kings and Lord of lords to rule over all nations! Malachi’s prophecy, like Isaiah’s, if you will read on past the first verse, refers to a human messenger preparing the way before Christ’s now imminent Second Coming, this time in supreme power and glory as Ruler over all nations! Understand the duality principle here. These prophecies refer to a type and its fulfillment. John the Baptist was a voice crying out in the physical wilderness of the Jordan River area, preparing for the human physical Jesus’ First Coming to a material temple at Jerusalem, to a physical Judah. But that was a prototype, or forerunner of a voice “lifted up” (greatly amplified by modern printing, radio and TV), crying out in the midst of today’s spiritual wilderness of religious confusion, announcing the imminency of Christ’s Second Coming as the spiritually glorified Christ, to his spiritual temple (the Church resurrected to spirit immortality) (Eph. 2:21-22). Jesus came, over 1,900 years ago, to announce the future kingdom of God. He’s coming this time to establish that kingdom. That end-time last warning message is now going out worldwide in amplified power. It’s going before kings, emperors, presidents, prime ministers of nations—and to their peoples, on all continents and all nations of the earth! [End Quote] – Mystery of the Ages by Herbert W Armstrong 1985 edition After reading this, many CONTINUE to preach that Mr. Armstrong did not fulfill that role! Yet all the evidence is mounted up AGAINST THEM! Is it toward us as well? That is what we must make sure of. Getting back to Mr. Robbin Webber’s sermon, he(like many others in different groups) categorizes people into two categories.

  1. They believe that the Great Commission was given to the Church as a whole.
  2. Those that believe that Mr. Armstrong fulfilled Matt 24:14 and that he fulfilled the role of Elijah. And that the work as a whole was finished.
Point no. 1 – Many of the Points of clarification are neglected. It is so watered down, that one makes a blanketed statement where one needs to clarify. Where one needs to show what the Apostle taught. It is TRUE Mr. Armstrong fulfilled the Great Commission given to him through the prophecy of Matt 24:14. It is also TRUE that he fulfilled the Role of Elijah! His commission/Work is finished. The Work of the ministry through the Apostle is finished! But the Work of the Church is not! Our Part in the Great Commission is YET to be fulfilled! Some try to pigeon hole many people into the second category. If you believe he fulfilled the prophecy in Matt 24:14, you get pigeon holed. If you believe he fulfilled the Role of Elijah, you again get pigeon holed and judged. For a group that publicly stands as someone who does not JUDGE, as many have said the UCG appears as. Yet they stand as judges concerning the Apostle and God’s WAY of TRUTH, God’s Government in the Church. Then what happens to those left? They get pigeon holed into the first category of which is the watered down, neglected, teaching of the UCG(United Church of God). The ONLY two options we led to believe, is to believe as the United Church of God believes. Or Believe what the Apostle(Mr. Herbert W Armstrong) Believed, Understood and be counted as a heretic among organizations of men. As you study and read one’s literature, do they bring to light, are they MINDFUL of what the Apostle taught, and show how the Apostle fits, what he taught us, and how we fit within that Paradigm, or blueprint/plan of God?(for example Gerald Waterhouse’s sermons) Or do they leave out the Apostle? Do they fail to teach our relationship with the Apostle? Do they teach how Jesus Christ issued his doctrines and teachings through the apostle, and down to us? Very few may, but overall they neglect to do so. If they do they fail to MENTION that it was GOD who gave us the Apostle. Groups as a WHOLE, do not teach God’s viewpoint, as the Apostle directed us. The GROUP is not MINDFUL, does not have the mind of Christ as it was in the Apostle! There is the danger! Why is the Group that way? Because the Ministers are that way! Those who do, are spiritually bullied, bound up, restrained because of the people around them, of whom they fellowship with. They fear what men can do. A True Minister works for God ALONE. They are not muzzled by men and their organizations. They preach what the Apostle gave us, being MINDFUL at all times that they do not Preach the Gospel as they received it! Notice the Teaching of Christ’s Apostle as taught through a Faithful minister at the time. [Quote]What does it mean Brethren, when Mr. Armstrong says, “BACK ON THE TRACKS”? Or Christ has shown him that He’s going to put His Church “Back on the tracks”? You know since June 1978, Mr. Armstrong has been telling us, that Christ has shown him that Jesus Christ Himself, was going to put HIS Church “Back on the Tracks”. And from that time we heard about the Church itself being put back on the tracks. The Plain Truth Magazine, Ambassador College, Various things that was going on, one after the other as it was addressed and found not to be as it should be, was put back, and IS being put back on the tracks. One after the other. And that job is not DONE yet, there’s still much to do, but yet the major turn around is certainly taken place. But what does it mean, to be “Back on the tracks”? Take a look at John Chapter 12. The Apostle John, faithfully recording Christ’s words. For he says in John chapter 12, and verse 49(John 12:49) And you can find several scriptures where Christ says this very same thing, or very similar to it. He says, “for I have not spoken of myself”. The words that He brought and He spoke were not His own words! Christ did NOT claim authorship for the words that He delivered! “for I have not spoken of myself, but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment what i should say, and what I should speak”. Now you know most of us, would be reluctant to say something like that. We just don’t want to say, that we just speak what we’re TOLD to speak, but Jesus Christ faithfully said, “That His words were not His own”. He spoke the words the Father GAVE Him to speak. And He says and “I KNOW that His commandment is life everlasting. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me. So I speak.” Christ NEVER claimed authorship for His words. He always said the words were from His Father! Who is greater than He! Take a look in John Chapter 17. John Chapter 17, you’ll remember that this was the last night,. This was the prayer that Christ prayed to the Father before He was crucified. It’s a very moving prayer. And it’s got a lot of knowledge. Lot of Spiritual knowledge, and understanding for us. Notice John 17 and verse 6(John 17:6), He said “I have manifested Your Name unto the men which You gave Me out of the world. Yours they were and You gave them to me, and they have kept YOUR word.” Notice again He doesn’t claim authorship, He says they have kept the Word of God, The Father. They kept God’s Word. “Now they have known that ALL things whatsoever you have given me are of You”. The Apostles, the disciples at the time, recognized that the words that Christ gave them was NOT Christ’s Words! They knew that he was sent from the Father with a message! They understood that. And He says “now they have known that ALL things whatsoever you have given me are of You. And I have given unto them the WORDS which You gave me!” The Word was given to Christ. He was sent to the earth with a message. And He gave it to the APOSTLES! “I have given them the words which You gave Me. And they have received them”. They recognized them for what they were, “and have known surely that I came out from You, and they have believed that YOU did send me”. The Apostles knew that. They recognized Christ as the one that was sent from God. And His words as GOD’S words! Now, notice what they were to do. In Verse 18, of the same Chapter, “As You have sent Me into the World” Christ said, that’s why Paul referred to him as an Apostle, He was sent too, “As you have sent me into the world, even so have I sent them into the world.” Those Apostles were given the Words of God. Christ faithfully delivered them to the Apostles, and then He sent then into the world to take them and preach them and whosoever would hear, they would, they would listen and recognize the words for what they were. Notice in 2nd Timothy Chapter 3. 2nd Timothy, Chapter 3 and verse 14(2Timothy 3:14). Here’s Paul, who was trained personally by Christ as well, and Christ, you know, is SO much identified with the Word of God, and it so fills Him, that HE’S CALLED The Word of God! God permits that name to be on Him, because He’s so much like it, He is exactly the Word of God! He says in 2nd Timothy, Chapter 3, and verse 14, the Apostle Paul trained personally by Christ as well, “but continue you in the things which you have learned, and have been assured of”. Timothy was a young minister, and he TOLD to keep going the same direction. “…knowing of whom you have learned them.” Knowing that the Apostle Paul had taught him. And he had a direct connection with Christ who has taught him the Words from the Father. And that Christ had faithfully delivered the Father’s words. “…knowing of whom you have learned them, and that from a child you have KNOWN the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus.” Timothy KNEW the Words of God, the Old testament of course, from a Child. But did he understand them? NO! Not until an Apostle came and explained it to him. And showed him what those words were, and helped him to put them together, here a little and there a little. To understand the Words of God! Notice brethren it’s ALWAYS called the Word of God. It comes from the Father. And it was sent by Christ, Christ was sent into the world to bring the Words of God! And He gave them to the Apostles. And the Apostles were to faithfully pass them on, to the membership, and the ministry, ALL of them! And they would carry them on Faithfully. Now when you have it straight down the line, and you get God’s mind on any subject, on any subject there is, and it comes from the Father. And it was given to Christ, and He faithfully passed it on to the Apostles. And the Apostles faithfully passed it on in the Word that we’re reading now, which is called the Word of God! SO representing Christ’s message that it’s the Word of God too. And we faithfully are in line with that, and it comes from the Apostles down to the ministry and the membership, and it’s straight and there are NO Changes or delusions, YOU’RE ON TRACK! And when there is anything that’s distorted, or somebody gets in the way, and changes it, and decides he is not going to deliver it faithfully as he’s been taught it, then it’s diluted, or distorted in some way, and then YOU’RE OFF TRACK! Then it’s NOT God’s Word faithfully passed on down! That might be on a subject like the Sabbath, which is very clear in the scripture. Which we can understand very clearly. Or a subject that is not covered directly, like smoking. Where the principles of God’s law are applied, and the clear Will of God is plain, about, in the Church of God, that we don’t smoke. Even though there’s no specific prohibition about it. Whether it’s on keeping God’s annual festivals, the Holy Days, that again is clearly set out n the Word. And kept in there and taught faithfully right through. Or something like applause in Church, where a certain decision has to be made based on the principles of God’s Law, and the principles of His Way of Life. Whether it’s a matter like Tithing, which again shows God’s mind very clearly in the scripture, that He wants us each to Tithe. Or something that is Not covered directly like calling a minister by his first name. But a principle based on God’s Law. When we have God’s mind on those subjects passed on down FROM God, to Christ, to the Apostles, in our age, APOSTLE, and on down to the ministry and membership, then we’re faithfully on track, and we’re going the way God wants us to go! There will be two results of that! That we now enjoy far more in the Church of God, than we did when we were OFF the track! And the one result is PEACE! Where no one’s arguing and bickering for his OWN point of view, he wants to have GOD’S Point of view on every subject! And he wants to know what God’s mind is. Cuts out all of the arguments and all the fights and the bickering. And the 2nd result is, that we’ll all speak the SAME THING! Exactly God’s Word as it comes down from Him, right through Christ, the Apostles, right on down through to us, the ministry and the membership. And I’ll tell you that is a pleasant thing, that can be. Because you see God knows the Way of Peace! He knows the way that men should go! He knows how we should have a proper relationship with God. And He knows how we should have a proper relationship with each other. And nobody else does. And when we have His Word straight, and we’re following it, we’re RIGHT ON TRACK! Exactly the way we ought to be. Take a look at Ephesians. The book of Ephesians, Chapter 4. You know it’s instructive, that anyone COULD alter the Words of God, the most qualified to do so, is Jesus Christ himself! He’s absolutely perfect! And yet in the scripture He goes TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME, to say that He DOESN’T Alter it, He DOESN’T CHANGE it, that they’re NOT His Words! And that He faithfully passed it on just the way the Father gave it! And each of us in our own lives, should do exactly the same thing. Following God’s Will. Following God’s Way. Notice in Ephesians Chapter 4 and verse 11(Eph 4:11), “and He gave”, Christ did, “some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints”, so that the Church, the people that are the saints, would be perfect. “…for the work of the ministry, for the edifying…” or the Building “…of the body of Christ, till we all come…” ALL of us! “…in the UNITY of the faith”. There’s one faith! And there’s ONE way to go! “…and of the knowledge of the Son of God” with the knowledge of God’s Way. The knowledge that He brought from the Father. “…till we all come in the Unity of the Faith, and the Knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.” Till we TOO can be called the Word of God, identified with God’s way, and to be filled with it, although we may never have that title, that’s His. But, till we follow that Word, until we are LIKE it! And we all have the SAME mind, and we serve God with one consent! And when we are, when Christ brings that Unity to His Church, It can be clearly said that the Church is, on the Tracks![End Quote] [Quote]What is the mind of Christ?   But God says, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 2:5).   What is the mind of Christ? What is His attitude—His approach to viewing and deciding all activities? Does He, as I asked before, really WANT TO sin, to think and act contrary to His Law, but because of His super power, restrain Himself? We know He has never sinned. But why? Is He sinless because He has such supernatural POWER to restrain Himself?   A THOUSAND TIMES, NO! The living Christ has never sinned because He does not want to sin! What is His MIND, that should be also in us? It is a mind that HATES sin, that LOVES righteousness. It’s a matter of ATTITUDE! The liberal is not hungering and thirsting after RIGHTEOUSNESS! He WANTS to ease off a little on God’s Law, He wants to do only as much as he has to, to receive the reward of eternal life. He has not yet fully gotten rid of the GET attitude, and come into the GIVE attitude.   It is Satan who deceives and puts into many human minds the desire to go as far into this world as he thinks God will allow—and into its ways of VANITY and INTELLECTUALISM (carnal, secular)—vanity of mind.   Having the ATTITUDE of the “SPIRIT OF THE LAW” is the attitude of the mind of CHRIST!”[End Quote] – What is a Liberal by Herbert W Armstrong, Good News Magazine, March 1979   [Quote]Until about 1969 we in God’s Church did all “speak the same things”. By 1978 many of the ministers were speaking different things! God had withdrawn from us His blessing and power that for 35 YEARS caused the Work of His Church to grow at the approximate rate of 30 percent every years of the preceding year! WHAT CAUSED GOD TO WITHDRAW HIS BLESSING AND POWER? Precisely the same thing that choked the growth of the Church of God at Corinth from A.D. 56, 25 years after the Church was founded at Jerusalem. They were following different leaders, speaking different things, watering down the sacred and precious truths of Christ! Christ’s apostle wrote to the Corinthian Church in A.D. 56. “Now I beseech you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Corinthians 1:10) They were starting to follow different leaders teaching different doctrines! The Church was becoming divided and a church divided against itself cannot stand! Once such division starts among ministers it is a difficult matter to correct for most who have gone doctrinally a field will today – just as in Corinth in A.D. 56 ??? be willing to change back from error and watered down doctrines to God’s truth! This same deception was occurring in the church at Rome. And God said through the apostle Paul, “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they … by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” (Romans 16:17-18) Jesus Christ showed me that, as much as it hurt, the No 1 deceiver with watered-down doctrines, in authority, whom I had to mark and put out of God’s Church, was my only living son whom I loved as only a father can. Other liberals have had to go since GODS CHURCH MUST BE CLEANED UP! We must all SPEAK THE SAME THING, as God commands! But HOW? How does Jesus Christ put His doctrines into His Church? How did He in A.D. 31? How in A.D. 1933? DID THE CHURCH OF GOD, of A.D. 31, believe and proclaim the TRUE doctrines? How did they come to believe as they believed? Did their doctrines come as a result of a vote of ministers on the ideas, opinions and convictions of the ministers in the Church? HOW must the true Church of God today receive its doctrinal beliefs? Doesn’t every human individual know by himself, KNOW right from wrong – what is TRUTH and what is error? Is not the ability to know right from wrong acknowledged by society as the test of sanity or insanity? Does not mankind automatically know what is truth – what is good and right – as contrasted from what is wrong, evil and sin? God says we in His Church must all believe and speak the SAME THING – we must be AGREED on what is truth and right and good as opposed to what is evil and sin. Brethren, WE HAVE NOT OBEYED THAT COMMAND OF JESUS CHRIST! We have not all believed the same thing! There HAVE BEEN DIVISIONS among us for that very reason! We therefore have been GUILTY before God of disobeying HIS EXPLICIT COMMAND! I said “We’ve been”. But God’s time of trial and test is upon us! God says through Daniel, that at “the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;…” (Daniel 12:9-10) God’s sifting time is upon us! God is allowing those duped by Satan to bring upon us the GREATEST TIME OF TRIAL AND TESTING THAT His Church has undergone in our lifetime! When I pray as I do many times a day during this supreme trial of the forces of State government of America’s most populous state and the forces of the public press lined up against us, falsely accusing us, picturing us to the public as if already tried and proved guilty – as CRIMINALS – I not only petition God to deliver us, but I also THANK GOD for this trial and test! We are being STRENGTHENED by it! We are being brought closer to God and welded CLOSER TOGETHER than ever before! God, through this trial, is weeding out from our midst the liberals who did not believe or “speak the same thing”. These I have LOVED sincerely even as I have loved my own son! I wonder, do we sometimes LOVE even the sin within us that we hate to purge it out? At least I know how I have so sincerely loved those individuals whom Christ has been purging out – that we may all be united in speaking the same THING – speaking GOD’S TRUTH! Now HOW may we obey Christ by all speaking the same thing when we – especially a small portion of the ministers – have not all believed the same thing? I can tell you how my son, when he was executive vice president, with a small group of liberals at headquarters, tried to being us into harmony. Some of the ministers did not believe many of the doctrines Christ had put into His Church. A minority (yet perhaps close to a dozen field ministers) had liberal leanings – did not believe the SAME THINGS Christ had put into HIS CHURCH. So, behind my back – unknown to me, while I was in another part of the world carrying Christ’s gospel message into other nations – they produced what they called a Systematic Theology Project, changing and watering down – making more liberal – many doctrines Christ had put into God’s Church. WHY did they do this? The one who wrote most of it stated to me in writing, “My only goal in coordinating the project was to bring doctrinal consistency, stability and unity to the ministry and the Church”. This reminds me of a saying we used to have on the tennis courts, “The idea was fine, but the execution was rotten”. These deluded and misguided “scholars” were in fact IGNORANT of the central truism that the “same thing” we must all speak must be what CHRIST speaks, and for unity in what He speaks, the doctrines MUST BE PUT INTO THE CHURCH BY JESUS CHRIST! Not be compromising, watering down Christ’s teachings to satisfy rebellious liberals. JESUS CHRIST is the living HEAD of the Church. They overlooked that! So it has become necessary for CHRIST the HEAD of the Church, to SET GOD’S CHURCH BACK ON THE TRACK OF GODS UNITY – not confusion by trying to satisfy rebellious men by COMPROMISING GODS TRUTH! Now HOW did God put His doctrines and teachings into His Church in A.D. 31 – before many in the Church turned to another gospel (Galatians 16:7)? And HOW did the living Christ put God’s doctrines and teachings into His Church TODAY – before these “intellectual liberals” began trying to compromise and water down? Only by His chosen apostles. As I quoted in the beginning in 1 Corinthians 1:10 Christ says we must all speak the same thing. WHAT “same thing?” That which comes from the MIND of CHRIST – “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 2:5) The Corinthian church was not in harmony. It was divided. WE had gotten out of harmony. WE were divided! Those who do have the mind of Christ and are surrendered to the Spirit of God are being used by Jesus Christ in rooting out that spiritual CANCER from God’s Church. Ministers are being called in for conferences. The first thing we at headquarters are concerned about is their attitude! If the attitude is good, and doctrinal differences can be straightened out, and we may proceed in peace, harmony and UNITY in faith – all speaking the same thing that CHRIST SPEAKS! If the attitude is resentful, rebellious, bitter, the one having it is “hooked” on a spiritual drug far worse than physical heroin. I have warned against this attitude for 49 years – ever since I began to preach in 1930. It is only common sense to realise that if everyone teaches what he, personally, believes, or if we follow different leaders each speaking his own thing, WE HAVE ONLY CONFUSION! Our teaching and doctrines MUST COME FROM GOD! Through CHRIST! And through His apostle! But HOW? must some speak what they don’t believe? We must believe what Christ SAYS, to be saved! Jesus Christ is the Word of God in PERSON. The Bible is the same Word of God in PRINT! The very first man to be used in writing down the Word of God as Christ (in the Old Testament, Yahweh) inspired, was Moses, and he wrote more words of it than any other. Now did Moses seek this commission for himself? No. Moses had been reared a prince in the palace of Egypt’s pharaoh, and he probably cared little or nothing about being a leader for God. But God called to him in the incident of the burning bush (Exodus 3). Immediately Moses protested “I’m slow of speech,” he objected. “I stutter”. God was a bit angry at this. But God said He had provided for that He had appointed Moses’ brother, Aaron, to be his spokesman. Moses accepted God’s rebuke and became strong and faithful in the Lord. He believed what God said! God has always, in dealing with humans, worked through ONE MAN at a time – one who believed God! Some in ancient Israel challenged this one man leadership. Some, likewise, have challenged it today! First, Moses’ own brother and sister challenged his one man leadership. Miriam and Aaron said, “Hath the Eternal indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us?” (Numbers 12:2) “and the Eternal heard it… And the Eternal came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth… “My servant Moses is not so (as the others), who is faithful in all mine house… Wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” (verses 7,8) “And the anger of the Eternal was kindled against them” (verse 9). And Miriam was inflicted with leprosy for a while. Yet though our members and ministers all know this some are NOT AFRAID to speak contemptuously, in hostility or defamingly against Christ’s apostle today! They need not fear ME for I will not turn on them or strike them. WHY then do they not fear GOD? It must be one of the two things – either they do not really comprehend this teaching of the incident about Aaron and Miriam, or they do not believe that God has chosen me as His apostle and human leader today. Or, perhaps they think God is NOT the same yesterday, today and forever! In any event, this is a matter between them and Jesus Christ. But there was an even more significant incident of opposition of Moses’ leadership. That is the case of Korah, Dathan, Abiram and On. “And they rose up before Moses with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes… famous in the congregation, men of renown: And they gathered themselves together against Moses… Ye take too much upon you seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Eternal is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the Eternal?” (Numbers 16:1-3) They accused Moses of appointing himself – though there had been ample evidence by the fruits of Moses’ leadership and even miracles God did through him, that they were without excuse, just as many are today. What happened to them? “And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up.” “They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.” (verses 32,33) GOD IS ON HIS THRONE! And He is the SAME GOD! He has not changed! Once again, the same God is going, very soon now, to shake this whole world – to produce astounding miracles – and those who take His Work lightly and ought to know better are going to have to REALIZE that He is the SAME GOD TODAY! We are in the trying and sifting time, right now, for God’s Church! Notice it in Daniel 12:9-10.   At “the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall UNDERSTAND.” (Daniel 12:9-10) My children in Christ, can we not see that we are IN THAT TIME NOW? God is TRYING us as never before. He is drawing those of us who both love and fear Him close to Him and to each other! He is permitting trials and tests, such as we never experienced before to come upon us, so that we well RELY ON HIM in unshaken faith! But the self-minded among us, even the few in the ministry, DO NOT UNDERSTAND! They do not believe God is the SAME today and will act the same as IN HIS OWN TIME! They do not TREMBLE at His Word (Isaiah 66:5). But THEY SHALL! God has always worked through one man, primarily, at a time. God chose David and worked through him. Two of David’s sons, at different times, conspired to wrest David’s throne from him. At this point I noticed beside my typewriter a letter I had not seen before from Queensland, Australia. I paused to read it. I quote a sentence from it that is appropriate to what I have been writing. This member wrote: “Take courage Mr Armstrong. God took it personally when Miriam spoke against Moses, and when Israel spoke against Samuel.” HOW SIGNIFICANT that this letter caught my eye at this stage of this article. The letter continues “NO DOUBT but that God also takes it personally when they speak (and act) against you (and His Church).” In founding God’s Church, Jesus worked primarily through one man, Peter, even though He originally chose His 12 disciples. Few have ever noticed how Peter was the real leader. Jesus had told His disciples to go NOT to the gentiles, but to the “lost sheep of the House of Israel”. the “House of Israel” never refers to the Jews – and always to the kingdom that became known as “the lost ten tribes”. They were in Western Europe and Britain when Jesus gave this instruction. Undoubtedly it was after Peter and the original apostles had left the Middle East and travelled to Britain that we read only of Paul and those under him. Notice now PETER’S pre-eminence. Few have ever put all these scriptures as I shall now do. This shows PETER was leader. “And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw tho brethren, Simon called PETER, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea… And He said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.” (Matthew 4:18-19) This is the first mention of calling His disciples. It is significant that PETER is named first. Matthew 10:2 “Now the names of the twelve apostles are these. The first, Simon, who is called PETER…” Notice PETER is called the first. Matthew 16:16-19 “… Simon PETER answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hat not revealed it unto thee but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee (PETER), That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;… and I will give unto thee (PETER) the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatsoever thou (PETER) shalt bind o earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever thou (PETER) shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” In Matthew 18 Jesus appears to be speaking to the 12 as a group, and in verse 18 the binding and the loosing is again mentioned. The binding and loosing was given to APOSTLES but PETER was unquestioned leader of the original 12 apostles. John 21:15-17 The commission, “feed my sheep” is three times given to PETER. Acts 2:14 On the day of Pentecost, it was PETER who gave the first sermon, converting some 3,000. Verse 38, PETER gives the instruction for baptism. Acts 3:4-12 It was PETER who healed the cripple. And it was PETER who gave the sermon to the assembled crowd, and God added 2,000 more to the Church. Acts 4:8 It was PETER who spoke boldly to the rulers after imprisonment, and verse 19 said “Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.” Acts 5:3-15 It was PETER who spoke to Ananias and Sapphire, causing them to drop dead. Verse 15, it was PETER’S shadow as he walked by that healed the sick. Acts 5:29 PETER said “We ought to obey God rather than men.” Acts 8, PETER with John went to Samaria. Verses 18-23 It was PETER who rebuked the first pope, Simon the Sorcerer. Acts 9:32-34 PETER heals Aeneas. Acts 9:38-41 PETER raises Dorcas from death. Acts 10:1-9 PETER used by Christ to be the first to open salvation to gentiles. Verses 19-24 Circumcision not required. Acts 11:12-18 Apostles hear from PETER how God had granted repentance to gentiles and salvation with eternal life. Acts 15 Here is the crux chapter, not generally understood. Paul and Barnabas had come to the church at Antioch. Certain Pharisees had come down from Judea and taught that “Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” Paul and Barnabas have much dissension and disputation with them. Now here was a classic EXAMPLE of HOW DOCTRINES were put into the Church and doctrinal disputes settled in the Church! It was determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others go up to Jerusalem for apostolic settlement through the Holy Spirit. “And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. Now notice “there had been much disputing” between the apostles and elders. They were not of one mind! How was the matter settled? By the Holy Spirit, but through WHOM? “… Peter rose up and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us,” Notice PETER was specially chosen. “that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, who knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as He did unto us. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.” Notice, it was GOD leading Peter, as chief apostle. For these gentiles to be required to be circumcised would obligate them to become a debtor to do the whole (ritual) law. (Galatians 5:3) Therefore Peter concluded, “Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither or fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.” PETER had spoken! God had made choice amongst them, choosing PETER to open salvation to the gentiles, and, now to SETTLE this dispute over what God required of uncircumcised gentile converts. And that settled the matter! Notice, once Peter had settled the dispute, “Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles and by them. Paul and Barnabas were NOT disputing Peter’s decision. There were NOT giving their input to the disputed question – the question had been SETTLED – by PETER! Paul and Barnabas merely gave the ministers gathered there the NEWS of what God had wrought through their ministry. Then James rose. James was pastor of the Jerusalem headquarters church, in today’s language we would call him chairman of the meeting. He did not make the decision, PETER had already made it. He merely said, Simon (PETER) hath declared. And James merely CONFIRMED Peter’s decision making it official. That ought to make clear this crucial 15th chapter of Acts. The one classic example of settling any disputed doctrine in the Church. And though there were other apostles, God worked primarily through ONE man – PETER! Has God changed? Or is He the SAME still today? Finally, notice Galatians 2:7 “But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto PETER”. The Jerusalem conference (Acts 15) showed that PETER was predominant over even Paul, although Paul was the ONE MAN God worked through primarily in the ministry to gentiles. The CHURCH is GOD’S Church. The HEAD of the Church under GOD is Jesus Christ. Under Christ on the human level is His chosen apostle, through whom He has raised up and built this SPIRITUAL TEMPLE to which the reigning CHRIST shall soon come in glory (Ephesians 2:20-21). Now in closing, back to the theme of this article. God COMMANDS that we all SPEAK THE SAME THING! It must be that thing which the mind of Christ speaks – and He speaks only as the Father commanded (John 12:49) All doctrines in the Church as it began, A.D. 31, were put in by the apostles. All doctrines in the present, Philadelphia era were put into the Church by Jesus Christ through His chosen apostle. Now WHY does Christ use such caution in putting HIS doctrines into God’s church through His apostle? LET ME MAKE THAT POINT CLEAR! You have just read a case in point – Acts 15. This crucial crux chapter has been misinterpreted, twisted and distorted. I have tried to take space to MAKE IT CLEAR in this article. The other apostles and ministers were all in confusion, arguing and disputing. But Christ silenced them by speaking through His CHOSEN CHIEF APOSTLE, PETER! Let us UNDERSTAND! First of all, in human history, God spoke direct in person to Adam and Eve. They did not believe what He said! But God chose Moses, and God chooses only a man who believes what God says. Moses wrote more words of the Bible than any person. The prophets were chosen by God – not by themselves – and they believed what God inspired and wrote it for us. Christ came and preached to many THOUSANDS. Yet only 120 believed what He said. And even of the apostles, there was disputing until Christ spoke through PETER, who HE chose! In our day, God brought about my conversion in a manner UNIQUE in our time. He CONQUERED me, first, by making me realise 1) that what I had previously believed was untrue, and 2) that I had to REPENT and BELIEVE – that is, turn from former ways and beliefs, to different WAY OF LIFE – GOD’S WAY – and to BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAYS! My mind SWEPT CLEAN of all previous beliefs. When Christ chose His apostle for this time, He chose one who 1) does believe what God says, 2) will not not compromise or water down truths and doctrines Christ has given, and 3) has an open mind to receive further truth from Christ, and to be willing to acknowledge error when PROVED and turn from it! I do TREMBLE at the Word of God! I LOVE it, and I FEAR to go contrary to it or to mislead you my brethren and my children in the Lord! As long as this Church believed and spoke THE SAME THING Christ put in it through His apostle, HE BLESSED IT, and it GREW 30 percent a year for 35 years. But when my son Garner Ted came to take over more authority than had been delegated to him, surrounding himself with a group of liberals who LED him, and MISLED him into watering down God’s doctrines – under their false influence and a Laodicean lukewarmness and indifference, losing the LOVE of God’s TRUTH, found root in the Church. Christ BUILT this Church through His chosen apostle! We did, perhaps imperfectly, but certainly in general, SPEAK THE SAME THING! We GREW in Christ’s KNOWLEDGE and truth as well as in size and scope of Work. Then my son fell under the influence of a group of liberals with whom he surrounded himself. He began to DISAGREE with Church doctrines more and more! AND GOD WITHDREW HIS BLESSING! For 10 months now, the living CHRIST has been setting His Church BACK ON THE TRACK! Also His college. The liberal element MUST GO! Either the liberals must TURN FROM their liberalism, as defined in my recent article (see article-page 3) and put IT out of themselves and the Church, or they must go out with it! I hope the former. God has allowed this terrible trial and test to come upon us with the government of the state of California trying to take over and manage and operate God’s Church! In defiance of the Constitution of the United States. They do not, now, and they SHALL NOT, operate, manage or destroy the Church and Work of the LIVING GOD! His authority is infinitely greater than theirs. Perhaps, like those who crucified Jesus, they know not what they do (Luke 23:34). But they are drawing God’s Church closer to Him and to each other. PRAISE GOD! for cleaning up His Church! [End Quote] – And Now Christ Sets Church Back On Track Doctrinally By Herbert W Armstrong, Worldwide News, 19th Feb 1979 page 1.]]>

Splinter Groups from the Worldwide Church of God Foretold!

The World Tomorrow Radio Broadcast The Gospel Must Be Preached By Herbert W Armstrong Tag timeline from start to finish:

  • Where are we NOW in the Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy?
  • The Olivet Prophecy
  • Isaiah 30
  1. False Ministers to come
  2. Minister’s only wanting a paycheck to pay for PHYSICAL things
  3. Ezekiel 34
  4. Splinter Groups and Splinter Churches AWAY from Truth(Falling Away)
  5. Doctrine of Healing
  6. Doctors and Medicine
  7. Physicians
  8. Food and Diet
  9. The Spiritual Gospel vs Physical food and diet
  • Why Christ was Crucified
  • Sin
  • Abraham
  1. False Ministers
  2. People demand Preachers preach soft and Smooth Things
  3. Preaching Why Christ was Crucified
  4. Jeremiah 23
  5. God’s Law
  6. Do Not Listen to the ministers (Jeremiah 23) who say to the wicked that God accepts your Sin
  7. The Bible and God’s Law
  • Matt 24:14
  • Matt 24:14 Current fulfillment of Prophecy
  • The Body of Christ
  • The Work of God
  • The Holy Spirit
  • How to recognize those with God’s Spirit
  • The Great Commission
  1. Why Christ died
  2. Why do people hate God’s Law?
  3. How you can know a Carnal Mind vs a Converted Mind
  • The Body of Christ doing the Work of God
  • Goes out in Organized manner
  • The Great Tribulation
  • Church to be Protected during Tribulation
  • The Flight of those CARRYING the GOSPEL!
  • Literal=69. A.D.
  • 69 A.D. Roman Armies halted before going into Judea and Jerusalem
  • 70 A.D. Roman Army finally advanced around Jerusalem
  • Those who didn’t flee – Suffered a terrible Martyrdom
  • Modern Fulfillment
  • The Great Tribulation
  • The True Church carrying out the Commission of Christ
  • Carrying the Gospel of the GOVERNMENT of God/Family of God
  • Flight to a Place of Safety
  • Watch and Pray Always that you be accounted worthy to escape these things
  • Michael shall stand up for Israel
  • The Great Tribulation
  • The First Resurrection
  • Revelation 12
  • Martyrdom
  • Famines and Pestilences Next
  • Famine and then disease epidemics
  1. Recap
  • Matt 24:14
  • then the Flight of those carrying the Gospel
  • Time of Famine and Disease
  • Then the Great Tribulation




By Herbert W. Armstrong

[Worldwide News, 25th Feb 1980]

    IS GOD HARSH? Does call on us to mistreat those disfellowshipped for sowing the seeds of discord in God’s Church?   NOT AT ALL! Let us UNDERSTAND THIS!   Do we expect Jesus Christ to have friendly fellowship with SATAN? Do you think Christ is unjust in not treating Satan with what you might call LOVE?   WHY – yes WHY do some of our brethren feel we are unkind toward those doing Satan’s bidding, if we OBEY Christ’s following COMMANDMENTS?   God says, through the apostle Paul, “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and AVOID THEM”. (Romans 16:17)   Many of you brethren have deliberately DISOBEYED that commandment of God by attending “out of curiosity,” a meeting of one disfellowshipped for that very thing! ARE YOU MORE RIGHTEOUS THAN GOD? ARE YOU ABOVE GOD, so that you need not heed what he says in the above paragraph?   You are going soon, to be called before the judgment seat of JESUS CHRIST. Will you say to His Majesty, “But Lord, I only wanted to hear what he had to say!” WHAT DO YOU THINK THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH WILL SAY BACK TO YOU, who make excuse for DISOBEYING his positive COMMAND?   Let’s UNDERSTAND this! What doctrine have you learned? Where did you learn the doctrine? Answer? In or through the WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD! How did the Church receive its doctrine – its beliefs – its teachings – when the Church first started, A.D. 31? The Church from the start received its doctrine from the APOSTLES!   Jesus is the personal Word of God. The Bible is the written word of God. Both are the same!   In our day, Jesus Christ taught His chosen apostle through the written Word of God. The Worldwide Church of God – the same Church as founded in A.D. 31 – received its DOCTRINE through God’s chosen Apostles!   Now back to Romans 16:17. Why have some leaders had to be disfellowshipped – MARKED? Because of causing divisions and offenses CONTRARY to the doctrine which you have learned!   God’s Church is UNITED. We are commanded (I Corinthians 1:10) that we must ALL SPEAK THE SAME THING! Those put out were splitting the Church speaking DIFFERENT THINGS!   Now notice the next verse: “For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” (Romans 16:18)   And some of YOU brethren have wanted to hear those good words and fair speeches coming from persons of charisma, even though YOU WERE DISOBEYING GOD!   Notice FURTHER THE COMMANDS OF GOD!   God’s message through Paul, “Now we COMMAND YOU, brethren in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly… And if by any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed” (II Thessalonians 3:6,14)   Those ministers who have gone out, or been put out, of the Worldwide Church of God, often come to your town or city to speak. Many of them come to you in the form of a tape or cassettes, to preach their perverted doctrine, or to try to turn you AGAINST God’s Church – even as they are AGAINST it! They do NOT come to you with the doctrine which JESUS CHRIST put into His one and only Church. WHAT DOES GOD COMMAND YOU? LISTEN, and OBEY!   “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed” (II John 10)   In the very beginning of the Church of God, in the first century, there were false apostles, and there were those who went out from the Church for selfish gain or for revenge – even as today.   The apostle Paul, speaking to the elders – the ministers – of the Church at Ephesus, said, “Also of your own selves [you MINISTERS] shall men arise speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” (Acts 20:30)   To the church at Corinth, Paul wrote: “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted…(II Corinthians 11:4) Now WHO was trying to turn these members of God’s Church to some watered down doctrine or other teaching? Paul says they were men serving SATAN, and therefore SATAN’S MINISTERS! Notice, same chapter, “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into” [that is, professing to be] apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers [actually SATAN’S ministers, perhaps even themselves deceived into believing they are serving Christ] “also be transformed into the ministers of righteousness” (verses 13-15)   Brethren, STUDY THAT! If Paul had said to one of those ministers opposing God’s true Church, “You are a minister of SATAN,” he would have sharply said back, “I am not a minister of Satan, you are falsely accusing me!”   What about these minister who have gone out – or been PUT OUT – from the Worldwide Church of God today? They would be INDIGNANT if I should call them ministers of Satan. They would be ANGRY! They would say, as one was publicly quoted “I let go of coattails, and clasped the hand of Christ!”   Yes, they LOUDLY and indignantly say “SATAN COULD NEVER DECEIVE ME!” But Satan has deceived the whole world! He had deceived ALL OF US – but thankfully God called some of us, opened our minds to our former ways following Satan and brought us to HIM!   Perhaps these ministers now opposing God’s TRUTH and HIS CHURCH are themselves now deceived. Perhaps they are sincere – BUT THEY ARE SINCERELY WRONG AND IN THE CLUTCH OF SATAN!   Well then, you may say, “Should we not show them KINDNESS and LOVE?” Well, should Christ himself show kindness and love toward Satan?   These people, even if sincere and deceived, are in SATAN’S service doing what SATAN WANTS DONE – helping Satan try to DESTROY God’s one and only TRUE CHURCH!   Let’s not REASON our way to DISOBEY GOD! God COMMANDS “AVOID THEM!” “AVOID THEM” does not mean to go hear them out of curiosity! You who do that are DISOBEYING GOD. You are trying to be more righteous than GOD!   Now brethren, we have not wanted to act harshly. If we follow God’s instructions strictly we should DISFELLOWSHIP and MARK you who go to hear these ministers, or listen to their tapes or cassettes. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE US DO THAT BY YOUR CONTINUED DISOBEDIENCE and continued going to hear them or hear their recorded messages which are AGAINST Christ’s CHURCH, and therefore AGAINST CHRIST! But there is GOVERNMENT in God’s CHURCH. Just as there shall be GOVERNMENT in the Kingdom of God. It is the same government now in the Church – based on LOVE – but do not mistake GOD’S LOVE, and DISOBEY HIM!   Let me give you MORE that God says about these false ministers, seeking to draw disciples after them.   God says of them through Peter “Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam who loved the wages of unrighteousness. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest, to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty [as some of these very former ministers did when they secretly prepared and distributed to the ministry the “STP”] they themselves are the servants of corruption. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world [as these former ministers did when first in God’s Church] through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (II Peter 2:15-20)   God says of them through John: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have no doubt continued with us” (I John 2:19)   Through Jude GOD says: “Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core” (Jude 11) What was the gainsaying of Core? This is spelled Korah in the Old Testament. Read of it in Numbers 16. Korah led a group to challenge Moses, whom GOD had chosen to be the LEADER over Israel. For opposing the one GOD chose to lead His people, God had the earth open and swallowed them up. Yet men today oppose Christ’s chosen apostle!   There is MUCH MORE in the Bible about those who go out OPPOSING the PEOPLE OF GOD.   Brethren, if I as Christ’s apostle COMMAND YOU not to go to hear one of these or to receive one of his tape or cassette into your home, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK? Would you be angry at me? Well, that is PRECISELY WHAT GOD COMMANDS YOU. Are you angry with HIM? Some of you have been disobeying Him!   Are we a COMMANDMENT KEEPING CHURCH? If we are, then let’s OBEY. If you DON’T obey God or Jesus Christ, YOU ARE RIGHT NOW BEING JUDGED. IT IS JUST THAT SERIOUS. And it’s time we all begin to take it seriously.  

We haven’t much time left. It’s time now to COMPLETELY CLEAN UP GOD’S CHURCH, and to make His Church READY FOR CHRIST’S COMING!



  • Write down the name of the Church organization you support and attend with on a piece of paper.
  • Look that organization up in the state they incorporated, usually with a business search with the Secretary of State website.
  • What Church incorporated? Check that organizations name again. What does it say before “INC.”? There you go! That is the Church who incorporated.
  • Now, do some research concerning Herbert W. Armstrong. What Church did he belong to?
  • What Church “incorporated”  the “WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD INCORPORATED”? The Worldwide Church of God, of course! Let’s not be silly about this. The Worldwide Church of God was the only Church of God Mr. Armstrong was a member of.
  • So, if the Worldwide Church of God was the Church with THOUSANDS of members, and the corporation was merely a separate organization(who only had a few members, check the incorporation papers), and NOW the Church organization you support and attend with IS A DIFFERENT CHURCH who incorporated, what are you faced with?
  • “Because here’s what we found, that the biggest trouble we had among the brethren in the Church was this question of divorce and remarriage. (Well, maybe our biggest trouble was among some of the top men at headquarters who were all playing politics and each one wanting to gain more, he was simply coveting more power. And there was a conspiracy to get rid of me and have others take over. There was a conspiracy in 1974 for a group, they had a whole group, and there were two evangelists at headquarters that were in on it. And they thought with those two evangelists, one of them in charge of the money, it’s just like the one in charge of the money that turned traitor to Jesus, you know, Judas Iscariot was in control of the money. You’ve got to look out for the man that’s in control of the money. And these men felt they could take over. Well, they didn’t and so they formed a new church and called it the Associated Church of God and about 35 ministers went out with them and went out from God’s Church. Now, I tell you you’ve got a grapevine here and Christ says, “I’m the vine and you are the branches.” And maybe there are 35 of those branches who say, well, we are going to cut off and form a new grape vine of our own. Are they still part of the vine? Are they going to still have grapes? You bet your life they won’t! No sir, I tell you if you get cut off from the Church, you’re cut off. “God is going to marry the Church. He’s not going to marry several different churches all in a hodge-podge of confusion, one believing this and another that and always disagreeing among themselves. Jesus and God the Father do not disagree. They are together and the Church as Paul said, as we read in the first chapter, when we were studying this book, that we must all speak the same thing. There must be no division. God isn’t going to marry a divided Church; He’s going to marry a Church that is one. ” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, 1 Corinthians 7 Bible Study
    “Then they speak out of the other side of their mouths, I am grieved to say. This time, they say Revelation 2 and 3 do NOT portray seven SUCCESSIVE stages or eras of the one true Church. Apparently they try to explain, or twist its true meaning, by saying seven is God’s number of completeness – therefore there are now MANY churches, as Roman Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, etc. – all of which COMBINED constitute the BODY OF CHRIST. Anyone who believes that had, perhaps, better get into one of them, or follow a man who has incorporated himself to be a church. But a legal corporation does not make it GOD’S CHURCH! “It might be interesting, at this point, to explain the TOTAL DIFFERENCE between what Garner Ted is now doing and what his father did in 1930. “He has incorporated under civil law, under a church name as a starter. This was done to try to draw away members from the true Church to follow him….” “…And I did not start out by incorporating myself pretending to be a church. We, in the growing Church of God – then Eugene-based – finally had grown to a size where incorporation became a necessity. IN NO WAY is Garner Ted doing as his father did, and any claim that he is, is a point-blank lie resorted to, to DECEIVE God’s people and present the REPREHENSIBLE things Garner Ted is now doing in a good light. It is Satan who tries to make us believe that wrong is right.” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong,IS CHRIST STARTING A SECOND CHURCH?  Good News December 4, 1978
    “Actually the Worldwide Church of God is a spiritual organism, created by GOD – not a legal corporate organization created by this world’s laws. “But, in order to function IN the world in an organizational manner, the Church of God has needed to be incorporated according to state laws. The members of the Church are NOT members of the “Worldwide Church of God, Inc.,” a California corporation, nor of “Herbert W. Armstrong, a corporation sole,” under which our financial operations currently are functioning (since the massive lawsuit by the state of California). ” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, ADVISORY COUNCIL OF ELDERS FORMED Worldwide News – 16th May 1981
    “God has only ONE Church, and that Church has a few hundred local congregations worldwide, all a PART – and an integral working part – of the ONE spiritual organism, the Worldwide Church of God, which is “built upon the FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom ALL THE BUILDING [with its many local congregations] FITLY FRAMED TOGETHER groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord.” Its whole body (with its many local congregations worldwide) “FITLY JOINED TOGETHER AND COMPACTED by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working [together]… of every part…” (Ephesians 2:20-21, 4:16) Jesus Christ does not HEAD, guide, and work in any competing man or church. Christ is NOT DIVIDED! Christ’s Body is led on earth, UNDER HIM, by His chosen apostle whom HE appointed and used in BUILDING His Church in our time. God’s TRUE Church is performing the FUNCTION of the Church – carrying Christ’s Gospel message to all the world. ” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, CHRIST IS THE LIVING HEAD OF ONLY ONE CHURCH – NOT TWO, Good News December 18, 1978
    “The “Philadelphia Era” born “In July, 1933, I started a six-nights-a-week series of meetings for six weeks in a 36-seat country school-house – the Jeans school – eight miles west of Eugene, Ore. Result: 11 new baptized members plus eight of us already baptized – total: 19. It was just over 100 19-year time cycles after the very first Church was founded by Jesus Christ. I had been ordained precisely, to the month, 100 time cycles after the first apostles were ordained, June, 1931. “On forming of the new little parent church, I ceased working under jurisdiction of the Oregon Conference, although I continued voluntarily as their pastor. The Worldwide Church of God was a newborn fledgling that Christ, the HEAD of the Church, was conducting solely by me, known beginning 1934 as the Radio Church of God. It became the Worldwide Church of God in 1968.” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, Just What Is ‘The Work’?  And what was it, and how organized, in 1933, and from A.D. 31-70? , Good News – April 1981
    “My son, still held in the bond and grip of Satan, has NOT started another Church of God. God has only ONE Church. “God calls His Church the Body of Christ. In this case the word body is used in the sense of a cohesive single GROUP – a SPIRITUAL ORGANISM. We are “the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord” (Ephesians 2:19-21). “So we are a body of Spirit-begotten people – we are a building, and we are a holy temple! And all that one body is “fitly joined together and compacted [welded] by that which every joint supplieth” (Ephesians 4:16). “But that Church body is NOT TWO churches, but only ONE! “For as the body is ONE, and hath many members…. But now are they many members, yet but ONE body” (1 Corinthians 12:12, 20). What has been started in OPPOSITION TO the ONE Church of God is merely a group, mostly of embittered dissenters, following a MAN!” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, How the Conspiracy Worked , Worldwide News, 26th Nov 1979
      “Now for the organizational diagram of the Worldwide Church of God (See chart, page 4.) God is the Supreme Head over all. In heaven is God, and Christ under Him as Head of the Church but under God the Father. Below we come to the earthly area. First, under Christ is His chosen apostle. Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them….” “…We have here the Church, an organized spiritual organism but unincorporated. Now this is not the corporation, or the corporation sole. This is just the Church as God has organized it. As for “The Worldwide Church of God, Inc., a California Corporation”, do you realize that most of you are not members of that corporation at all? The members are the officers that sign the corporation papers.” WORLDWIDE NEWS, SPECIAL EDITION  -March 6, 1981
    “So, once again, what and why is the Church? The Church is the called out (from this world) begotten children of God. It is the Body of Christ (I Cor. 12:27; Eph. 1:23). It is the spiritual organism that shall be the “Bride of Christ”—after its resurrection to immortality. Then it shall be married to Christ! It is the spiritual temple to which Christ shall come at his second appearing (Eph. 2:21).” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, Mystery of the Ages
    “The New Testament Church organized by Christ is called, 12 TIMES in the New Testament, “the CHURCH OF GOD,” some times with a modifying word or phrase, as, “the Church of God, which is at Corinth,” or the “Churches of God in Judea.” Today it is known as the Worldwide Church of God.” Quote from Herbert W. Armstrong, SEVEN PROOFS OF THE TRUE CHURCH PROOF NO. 5  -Good News – December 4, 1978
    NOW LOOK AT THE CHURCH ORGANIZATION YOU SUPPORT? That Church is NOT “The Worldwide Church of God”, but A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHURCH! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ORGANIZATIONS, or CORPORATIONS! The Living Church of God & The Restored Church of God, is the product of the split of Global Church of God. Global was started IMMEDIATELY after Rod Meredith was OUT of the Worldwide Church of God. That organization was INCORPORATED FIRST, just like GTA did, to TAKE MEMBERS AWAY from the Worldwide Church of God. The United Church of God is the result of ministers leaving the Worldwide Church of God, they INCORPORATED IMMEDIATELY with a DIFFERENT CHURCH! A different Church INCORPORATED! It was not the Worldwide Church of God. They actually made a deal with Tkach Jr, who had control over the WCG INC(The corporation, NOT the Church)! They did not want to lose their paychecks when they left to incorporate a new organization. So they asked if they could continue to receive their paychecks from Tkach Jr. until their new organization could financially support them. Remember Joe Jr. talked a lot about “Church planting”! The Philadelphia Church of God was created IMMEDIATELY when Gerald Flurry and John Amos was out of the Worldwide Church of God. They tried to muscle over Tkach Sr. Gerald Flurry’s daughter Laura Turgeon(Flurry) was even a secretary of Mr. Tkach. They FIRST incorporated, and worked to draw away members for themselves. Then they tried to use Tkach Jr’s lack of interest in Mr. Armstrong’s writings to GAIN UNTO THEMSELVES “Exclusive use and rights” to them! The Court case between the PCG INC(Flurry) and WCG INC(Tkach) was a fight for “exclusive use and rights” in order to STOP the distribution of the materials you see on THANK GOD THEY DIDN’T! Jesus CHrist moved events, where the court stated that both parties DID NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE! So the WCG and PCG settled out of court, with an agreement for the PCG to print “their versions”(their edits to the books), for a price. The PCG does not own the copyright of the originally distributed works of Herbert W. Armstrong! Their court battle was just a THEATER ACT, and BATTLE for “ownership”. None of them got it, but it did help PRESERVE what was taught, by keeping them from gaining ownership! Look at all of the COG sects, and splinter organizations. They were created by DIFFERENT CHURCHES. Really they were just MEN, claiming to be a Church before there was a Church! They had to go to modern Babylon, to incorporate calling their corporation a Church of God. They had NO FRUITS. There was NO CHURCH. Their SOLE PURPOSE was to STEAL MEMBERS AWAY from the Worldwide Church of God! THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THIS! Now, look at your piece of paper again. What Church is it? NOT THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD! Today, while the CORPORATIONS are using the name of God’s Church, they are only CORPORATIONS and therefore NOT the same Church Herbert W. Armstrong was a member of!]]>

    REALITY CHECK- Different Churches?

    ” The Worldwide Church of God presents Herbert W. Armstrong” were the beginning words announced by Art Gilmore every week on the World Tomorrow Television and Radio programs, produced by the Worldwide Church of God and heard by MILLIONS. But what happened to that Church? Herbert W. Armstrong incorporated a corporation in the state of California, calling it “THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD, INCORPORATED” in the late 1960’s. The reason this corporation was formed, was for the BENEFIT of the WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD, an already established unincorporated body of believers. The PURPOSE for this corporation, was for the ability to handle and transfer large amounts of monies, and property for the WORK of the Worldwide Church of God. State law requires such. And in order for the Worldwide Church of God to do a INTERNATIONAL scope work, it had need of a corporation and facilities. But whatever happened to this Worldwide Church of God? There were THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS supporting the various corporate entities under Herbert W. Armstrong. The organizations and corporate entities disappeared. What happened to the Church that funded them? Today, we see many “Church of God organizations”. Those of us here at do not endorse them, and we are not affiliated with any of them. To us they are a DIFFERENT CHURCH- alien to Herbert W. Armstrong and the Church he was a member of- The Worldwide Church of God. They may differ in their various presentations, but the bottom line is they are a DIFFERENT CHURCH altogether, although many of their members once were members of the Worldwide Church of God. They have a right to exist in this world, to believe what they want to believe. God gave every man and woman a free will. We hold no ill will towards them in their ventures. However, these different churches and organizations are teaching that the Worldwide Church of God is gone, and that God has forsaken His Church, and now Jesus Christ is leading their church and organization. They have targeted the membership of the Worldwide Church of God, and through their organizational efforts are scattering the people of God more and more. The Worldwide Church of God still exists. We are UN-incorporated, just as we always have been. But the damage caused by these various organization against the Worldwide Church of God, by telling their members that it is no more, in an attempt to gain them as members of a DIFFERENT CHURCH is being addressed by those of us at .


    Philadelphia Church of God   This ORGANIZATION out of Oklahoma claims that the Worldwide Church of God is no more and defunct, and that the Worldwide Church of God’s mantle of leadership went to their organization and that their organization and Church is continuing the legacy and work of Herbert W. Armstrong. This organization was started by Gerald Flurry in 1989 when Gerald Flurry was removed from the WCG INC organization by Joseph Tkach Sr, when he and John Amos disagreed with what Tkach was doing and was sending all of the ministry a booklet discussing how Tkach Sr. was wrong. So they started a different organization, with them listed as the leadership, naming their Church “the Philadelphia Church of God”. When WCG INC, sued PCG INC for copyright infringement and damages, the judge had to correct an important aspect. Both the WCG INC, and PCG INC, wanted “Exclusive rights and usage” to Mr. Armstrong’s books. The judge stated that WCG INC did not have “exclusive rights and use” to the discontinued publications that were originally given freely to the public. He also stated that the PCG did not have “exclusive rights and use” to these publications as well, and that “fair use” did not give them the right to STEAL books from the copyright holder. The WCG INC organization did not want the books kept in circulation in the general public, and was using the court case to establish their alleged “exclusive rights and usage”, but they were DENIED this by the courts. The PCG INC organization claimed “fair use” of the publications, while changing the contact information in the writings to direct people to the PCG INC organization. They were using the courts to prove the WCG had no interest in the publications, and were using that as the premise to urge the courts to give them “exclusive rights and usage”. They were denied this by the courts. What was determined, was that the WCG INC could not stop the circulation and distribution of ALREADY circulated publications. The realm of copyright and trademark was extended into the public realm, and therefore is public domain. The courts determined however, the PCG INC had caused financial damages to the WCG INC. The courts then went into the damages hearing,. However, both parties: “WCG INC” and “PCG INC”, settled out of court in a mutual agreement. WCG INC made an agreement with PCG INC, that for a determined amount of money, the PCG INC could print “their versions”, and that the WCG INC would no longer pursue them legally. Once the PCG INC agreed and carried out this agreement, they went to change Mr. Armstrong’s writings. Certain things Mr. Armstrong taught, the PCG INC organization and church does not agree with, and therefore they changed Mr. Armstrong’s writings to reflect the PCG INC’s beliefs. The PCG INC, is an organization of a DIFFERENT CHURCH. Their organization was not incorporated for the benefit of the Worldwide Church of God, but for the Philadelphia Church of God. And their incorporation was for the purpose of the Philadelphia Church of God’s work. Although they use Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong in name and face, in all of their publications and names of their college and buildings, their Church is NOT the Church Mr. Armstrong was a member of. The books they print of Herbert W. Armstrong are changed to fit their set of doctrines and dogmas. They have many doctrines and teachings that Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God holds as abominations, and heresies.

    The Living Church of God

    Living Church of God International This Organization out of North Carolina, claims that the Worldwide Church of God is no more and defunct, and that the mantle of leadership continued over to them in their organization, and that they are continuing the work that was done through Herbert W. Armstrong. The Living Church of God INC organization was started by Roderick C Meredith, after his previous organization “Global Church of God” was shut down due to a power struggle with other ministers. Global, was an organization that was started in 1991 for the benefit of “The Global Church of God”. This was incorporated when Rod Meredith, along with the other Advisory Council of Elders of the Worldwide Church of God, signed over WCG INC and other corporate entities to Joseph Tkach Sr. On May 10, 1986, Ralph Helge started up a “suspended” corporation sole in Colorado. This corporation, which was started by Ralph Helge(acting as secretary to Herbert W. Armstrong) in 1981, was shut down and hid in 1983. This was the year that Mr. Armstrong was alerted to “dummy corporations” which was set up to choose a successor for him at the time of his death. He ordered them to be SHUT DOWN. Ralph Helge, according to state record, only suspended this corporation sole during that time. It was never used until AFTER Mr. Armstrong’s death. In this corporation papers, the Advisory Council of Elders, which Joseph Tkach Sr and Roderick Meredith were members of, was given legal power over the assets and properties of the Worldwide Church of God. In 1991, full power went to Tkach Sr. And a DIFFERENT CHURCH began to run the WCG INC and its supporting corporate entities. What Joseph Tkach Sr. was doing with the organization was not agreeable to Mr. Meredith, and after a heated argument, Joseph Tkach Sr. fired Rod Meredith out of the WCG INC organization. Rod Meredith then gathered other ministers who were loyal to him, out with him, and they incorporated GLOBAL CHURCH OF GOD INC. In this new organization, Rod Meredith and other ministers were in charge. When trouble was increasing for the organization due to internal strife and struggle, Rod Meredith diverted funds into a new organization, and sent letters out to all of the GCG INC’s members. The LIVING CHURCH OF GOD INC was incorporated, and a NEW CHURCH was started. Their doctrines and teachings are different from the Worldwide Church of God and Herbert W. Armstrong.

    The Restored Church of God

    Restored Church of God This Organization out of Ohio, was started by David C Pack, after an internal battle for power within the “GLOBAL CHURCH OF GOD INC” occurred with Rod Meredith. Pack ventured with Meredith for a short time, but eventually departed from the LIVING CHURCH OF GOD INC to form the RESTORED CHURCH OF GOD INC, a separate organization and a new Church, with himself in charge. He claims to be an apostle, and true successor to Herbert W. Armstrong and that his Church is the successor to the Worldwide Church of God, and claims to be continuing the work that was done through Mr. Armstrong. In his organization, he sends different literature to people based on their relationship with other churches, and their history and impact with the Worldwide Church of God. He claims to have “re-restored” what was restored by Christ through Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. He has written hundreds of books that have titles similar to Herbert W. Armstrong’s writings. It has been reported that he sends different versions of his books to those who differ in what background they have with Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God. The RESTORED CHURCH OF GOD is a different organization, incorporated for the benefit of “the Restored Church of God”. However, according to their incorporation papers, upon dissolution of their corporation, all assets, properties and monies are transferred to the Federal Government. This is much like how the Philadelphia Church of God INC was incorporated. Much of what is taught by the Restore Church of God organization, would be considered heresy and abominable by Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God.


    United Church of God This Organization in Ohio, was started in 1995 by ministers who had left the WCG INC organization. In concluding that a NEW organization needed to be incorporated, they asked Joseph Tkach Jr. if the ministers joining the UCG could not lose their paycheck from the WCG INC organization, until they could get financial standing in the newly created organization. Tkach agreed. They incorporated the UNITED CHURCH OF GOD, and the smooth transition between the two organizations went successful. A new Church was created. The ministry organized into a council, and they appoint a rotating presidency. They have adopted a voting system for choosing a president, and the ministry. Doctrines which were taught by Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God, have been departed from, and the UCG has set up their own doctrinal committee to settle doctrinal issues. This, like all of the other “CHURCH OF GOD ORGANIZATIONS”, is an attempt to claim the keys to “bind and loosen” doctrine. In their Church and Organization, they differ greatly to what was originally taught by Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God. They write books on subjects and titles similar to Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God. And they claim to be the successor of the Worldwide Church of God. The UNITED CHURCH OF GOD is a different organization, incorporated for the benefit of “the United Church of God”.
    These organizations, and churches, are NOT the Worldwide Church of God. Each of them are building membership, and are funding a work, of a DIFFERENT CHURCH. Their names are foreign to the the writings and publications Herbert W. Armstrong wrote and was apart of, although many men and women of their congregations and ministry were at one time members and ministers of the Worldwide Church of God. Since the Worldwide Church of God today is still UN-incorporated, no longer having an organization to handle large sums of monies and properties for its work, we have to conclude that these CHURCH OF GOD ORGANIZATIONS are organizations started by DIFFERENT CHURCHES, as indicated through their incorporation papers and their existence. This website,, is sponsored and made available by a few members of the existing Worldwide Church of God. We are not associated nor are we affiliated with any organization or different Church. We provide here on this website, the publications of Herbert W. Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God, seeking to inform our scattered brethren of the truths that were taught, showing them how these DIFFERENT CHURCHES differ from the one and true Church of God, and to admonish them to “HOLD FAST”(Rev. 3:11) to what was taught by Jesus Christ through His chosen apostle Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. This is done so they may be equipped and able to fulfill the reason and PURPOSE of being called into the Worldwide Church of God.]]>