What about Church Services With NO true minister present?”
Worshiping God – With or Without a True Minister PresentBy Herbert W ArmstrongGiven: April 10, 1955
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Truth about this Archive
This archive has been used by God to preserve God’s Truth as taught “THROUGH” Jesus Christ’s Chosen Apostle Mr. Herbert W Armstrong. Understanding the instructions given by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, given to us by God through the Apostle has taught us how to discern which is from God and which is not. What God had done and what Satan has tried to do and done within God’s Church and without. Understanding what was attempted in the 1970’s by Satan is vital, because God used it to help teach us to discern between the Holy and the profane. God mightily used Mr. Herbert W Armstrong to clean up the Church and to get it back on track with Jesus Christ. What was cleaned out was the poison of intellectual vanity and liberalism, of watering down God’s Truth. This is evident throughout the 1970’s materials, of which is available to search with the archives. Our aim is to AID our brethren to discern between the Holy and the profane. Not to promote both, because of lack of discernment, poisoning what we have(God’s Truth) with our dirty feet, because that is what these errors and teachings are, spiritual “dirt”! Read Ezekiel 34:18-19
18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
Our Purpose here at WWCG-ARCHIVES is to AID the Body, to Help clean OUT the spots, the dirt! Others do not understand this purpose. Oh, they follow closely behind us, and take what we post appearing as if it was they whom God is using to AID the Church. But they promote the spiritual dirt that will keep you out of God’s Kingdom. If only they come to see what they are and are doing. With God’s help they can.
This is not some kind of “control” as some claim, on the brethren. But it is a controlled action for us here at WWCG-ARCHIVES on WHAT we promote and teach. Are we to teach a watering down of God’s Truth? God FORBID! God’s Word says not to, and we here at WWCG-ARCHIVES aim to obey God and WALK IN IT! Not just talking the talk whilst walking in error.
Question: I am looking to get baptized, can you baptize me?
We understand where everyone who asks this is coming from. We can baptize you, but one vital part of the ceremony WE CANNOT. Since we are not ordained ministers, we cannot perform the LAYING OF THE HANDS ceremony, of which is vital in receiving the Holy Spirit. Although one household in the Bible received the Holy Spirit prior to baptism, there is no promise that anyone would receive it without the commanded “Laying of the Hands” from a True Minister of Jesus Christ.And be warned, if you start saying that it would be okay to go to one minister that believes PART of the Truth, surrendered only part of the way, and still in rebellion in another, God says that man is not walking with him, and there is a danger if the minister has another spirit(rather than the Holy Spirit) then for him to perform the laying of the hands, he would pass on the evil spirit instead of the Holy Spirit. It is because you in the ceremony are ACCEPTING the Spirit given to you through the Minister. If it is the wrong spirit, you would receive it and more troubles than you care for. That is one of the problems with fellowshiping with others who teach contrary. Please read the following article to better understand this. –
- Should We Join A Church With Another Spirit? – https://wwcg-archives.com/2018/04/08/should-we-join-a-church-with-another-spirit/
- Laying of the Hands – https://wwcg-archives.com/2018/05/14/laying-on-of-hands/
- Why The Christian Life? – https://wwcg-archives.com/2018/05/14/why-the-christian-life/
- What the Bible Says About Baptism – https://wwcg-archives.com/2018/05/14/what-the-bible-says-about-baptism/
Question: Where does it say in The Word of God to follow an Apostle?
Answer: The SURE Word of God says to Follow Christ’s Apostle as he followed Christ. To Keep the ordinances, the traditions, the commandments that we received from the Apostle. To HOLD FAST to what we have given to us through the Apostle. Why must we believe and condone the exact opposite?
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the Church, FIRST Apostles…(Christ called and taught Herbert W Armstrong FIRST before all in the Church afterwards)
2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord(The Gospel Message being Preached), NOR OF ME, his Prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
2 Timothy 1:13 Hold Fast the form of sound words, which thou has heard of me(Christ’s Apostle), in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me(Christ’s Apostle) among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say(Christ’s Apostle); and the Lord give the understanding in all things.
1Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
1Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1Corinthains 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Phillippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Phillippians 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Phillippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me(Christ’s Apostle), and mark them which walk so as ye have us(The Apostle’s) for an ensample.
Phillippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Phillippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
1 Thessalonians 1:6 And ye became followers of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 1:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us(The Apostles), ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
2 Thessalonians 3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thessalonians 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Acts 2:41 Then They that GLADLY received his word(The Apostle’s) were baptised: and the same day they were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul(The Apostle of Jesus Christ), the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Ephesians 3:3 How that by REVELATION he made known to ME(The Apostle) the mystery, (as I wrote afore in few words,
Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy Apostles…by the Spirit;
Matthew 10:11 (Speaking to the Apostles) And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
Matthew 10:12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
Matthew 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive YOU(Christ’s Apostle), not hear YOUR WORDS(What he preaches), when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
1 John 4:6 We are of God(Christ’s Apostles): he that knoweth God heareth us(The Apostle). Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thous shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Question: Why can we not find anything of Garner Ted Armstrong on the website being posted(promoted) or listed?
Answer: Garner Ted Armstrong was disfellowshiped and marked for causing division in the Church of God in 1978. He left and started a church of his own in competition to the Worldwide Church of God and Christ’s Apostle Mr. Herbert W Armstrong, his father. This again shows what SPIRIT rules and started Garner Ted Armstrong and his groups. Mr. Herbert W Armstrong continually warned about the LIBERALISM and watering down that was implemented in the 1970’s, and stated several times his son was a very huge part of it!
Please Read Mr. Armstrong’s Letter explaining his Son’s removal and disfellowshiping.
QUOTE from his letter:
[Quote]Brethren, a year ago God’s Church was in very bad shape. Until my heart failure in August 1977, I was away from Pasadena an average of 300 of the 365 days in the year, and my son assumed authority beyond that delegated to him. Under him, God’s Church, the Work, and the College, had been turned around until actually it was scarcely GOD’s Church any more. Everything was run as a strictly secular and worldly organization. I was shut off. Any authority above Garner Ted was shut off. Even leading ministers were personally threatened that if they informed me of the state of things, and the way the Church was drifting, they would be fired. When my son shut me off, he shut off all authority above him — and that means the living HEAD of the Church, Jesus Christ, and God the Father, were simply left out of all consideration.[End Quote]
Mr. Herbert W Armstrong explained it started way back since 1965 he was conducting himself unbecoming of a minister. But since his removal he is to be AVOIDED as Christ’s command in Romans 16:17.
[Quote]But now, Ted has been out permanently more than a year, devoting all his time and energies trying to DESTROY the Church of the living God!
Never again will I bring him back! A father naturally loves his son, but too often sons do not love their fathers. I do love Ted, but I know he despises and hates me with all the hate Satan will give him. He is not trying to proclaim the Gospel Message Jesus preached to the world, he is only trying to cause DOUBTS in the true sheep of God, and turn the tithe money to him.[End Quote]
And this is our stand as well. Not one of the programs of the World Tomorrow with Garner Ted Armstrong was reintroduced to the public or brethren. The Sermons were not put back into circulation. His Articles were not republished in any of the magazines and publications. Any literature he wrote was discontinued and rewritten by his father to get BACK ON TRACK with Jesus Christ, instead of the watering down GTA and others were doing.
This shows what we must do today, otherwise we stand contrary to God the Father and Jesus Christ, for it was THEIR DOING, and they do not break their WORD. We are here to develop their character and live the way they do. So we ought not to live CONTRARY to God and what they have done and established through His Apostle in His(God’s) Church. So we do not re-introduce Garner Ted Armstrong and others who left and started their own church and work AGAINST God’s True Church, as other websites have done.
Question: Why don’t you accept donations and Tithes and offerings?
Answer: We strongly believe that God’s Word clearly shows whom God placed in His Church to handle God’s Tithes and Money. This is for the True Ordained ministry of Jesus Christ. WE of WWCG-ARCHIVES.COM are not ordained ministers, but fellow-brethren to the Church, lay-members. We are here to Serve those who need it, but not in exalting ourselves to positions we were not put in. This is one of the MAIN reasons we do not accept Tithes and Offerings, as other websites have solicited. You won’t find a donation page or button soliciting for funds on WWCG-ARCHIVES.COM or any of its affiliated Facebook Pages or third party websites we administer.
Why don’t we accept “Donations” for the upkeep of website? It is because we do not want to burden our brethren to send money for something that costs $100 or more a year for the cost of the website. And we just don’t want to search out others to pay for something we are capable of doing ourselves. We understand many want to GIVE something to support God’s Truth through Christ’s Apostle(Mr. Herbert W Armstrong). But we understand as well that times are rough for God’s Scattered Church. All we ask for you brethren is your prayers and your continuance in Christ Jesus with Christ’s Apostle and the Truth and Teachings he taught from Jesus Christ, as we do pray for you.
Question: What is the Synagogue of Satan?
Answer: In Revelation 2:9: “I know,” spoke Jesus Christ, “the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, bit are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.”
The common idea is that this verse is referring to so-called “International Jewry” – that is, Gentiles masquerading as Jews.
This is not true!
Let’s notice the Bible’s own interpretation of this mysterious verse, not Hitler’s interpretation as found in Mein Kampf, which so many want to believe.
Notice, this is a synagogue of Satan. A “synagogue” is merely the Hebrew word for “church.” Then Jesus is NOT speaking of a race, but of a church that belongs to the Devil!
This church claims that its members are spiritually Jews. Why? Because Jesus said: “Salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). “To the Jew first, and also to the Greek” (Rom. 1:16).
“He is a Jew,” wrote Paul, “which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” (Rom. 2:29). Prior to conversion, Jews and Gentiles are both of their father, the Devil. That does not, however, mean that they are necessarily part of the church or synagogue of Satan.
So here is a church made up of Gentiles, falsely claiming salvation, falsely claiming to be Jews inwardly, masquerading herself as a “Christian” Church. And notice, this false church was already developing in the days of the Apostle John – it had its congregations already in the city of Smyrna and in Philadelphia, in Asia Minor (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) – beside congregations in many other cities as we read in 1 John 2:18-19: “…you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come … They went out from us, but they were not of us…”(RSV). Notice that the spirit of antichrist – the teaching of the synagogue of Satan – was found in those who left the true Church of God, who departed from the faith, who claimed they were still Jews inwardly but who LIE. The synagogue of Satan refers to the great apostasy that occurred at the close of the apostolic age, the apostasy which gave rise to the host of denominations we have today – a great mother church and her daughter churches (Rev. 17).
This is not speaking of the Jews who rejected Christ long before the book of Revelation was written. They were never a part of the true Church of God. But the synagogue of Satan – the church that follows the teachings of antichrist – that church or synagogue DID DEPART OUT OF THE TRUE CHURCH!
Even though those who are Jews by birth (Gal. 2:15) have made proselytes from the Gentiles (Esth. 8:17), that is not what the synagogue of Satan refers to. Many Gentiles are made citizens of America and Britain (the descendants of the house of Joseph), the same as many Gentiles have been brought into Judah – but that does not make them part of the “synagogue of Satan.” That is not what Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 are referring to. The “synagogue of Satan “ is not referring to a race but to that great church and her daughter churches who falsely profess to be “Christian” – Jews inwardly!
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